The interesting development here is the the interface for noting upon PDF and scrolling/ comparing multiple texts...

https://defternotes.com/

one time fee, but not sure exactly where they plan to go with this..

It is clear to me that they plan to become a tough competitor to Muse (https://museapp.com

What do you think?

I'm testing Defter Notes right now and I think it's looking good.

Thanks, bigspud, for the notification.

They sure will!

I love spatial heirachy, I've made that clear in this forum over the years... just not nested spatial canvas... not a single decent method for navigating knowledge amongst them, losing the fidelity that zoomable surface could already otherwise provide..

It seems a stronger competitor to liquidtext and marginnote to me. the way they've made pdfs manipulatable is excellent in that the reference page is extracted, not just the quote as in kosmik/liquidtext & most clippers. though napkin brings the URL, which is good, the amount of info on a page to cement context in recall, about right IMHO!

I hope they get to doing a full page screenhot of the URL into the canvas, but that's a pretty small wishlist!
really enjoying the interface too!

tberni wrote:

It is clear to me that they plan to become a tough competitor to Muse
(https://museapp.com

What do you think?

I'm testing Defter Notes right now and I think it's looking good.

Thanks, bigspud, for the notification.

Well, I compare Defter Notes (DN) with Muse, because both share the metaphor of nested canvases and the possibility of placing in them different types of objects and linking them in some way. It is clear that DN focuses on PDF (not forgetting images, links and text), but on their website they announce the inclusion of more document types in the future (e.g. ePub). I have been working with MarginNotes for some time and I don't find its field of use to be homologous to that of DN. Margin Notes is a great application to organize and summarize information from a single document and this is its unit of work. While DN, I see it more as a foresight and open research application from multiple sources and documents: I think this is its strongest point (as in Muse): the use and management of a diversity of formats in a virtual desktop.

Be that as it may, I think DN can cover a work space that has a lot to do with the management of prospective projects and can also serve to explore a more natural and less hierarchical type of information organization than what other applications usually offer.

I have started to support the project by buying the application in the AppStore. By the way, with a good approach away from subscription. Muse started with a very expensive subscription and had to land in reality, creating cheaper scaled subscriptions. Right now I'm using both apps with my iPad, but I know only one will survive. I'm giving myself some time to coexist, to see how both grow. By the way: it seems that DN is the work of a group of young Turkish developer brothers.

Best regards.

Muse now has a MacOS app, which would give it a leg up to me.

I've tried out Muse, Defter, and others -– and still prefer ZoomNotes. Not the most intuitive design and interface, but the developer is constantly adding new and useful features.

http://www.zoom-notes.com

Separate purchase on Mac and iOS totaling about $20 one time.

Stephen Zeoli wrote:

Muse now has a MacOS app, which would give it a leg up to me.

Of course, Muse is a more mature application than DN, and its Mac version attests to that. But the differences don't stop there. After testing DN for a few days, it still feels like in beta phase, not because there are bugs, but because key options are still missing (vg: being able to draw on the canvas). I think the developers should be given time to continue to evolve the application.

Paul Korm wrote:

I've tried out Muse, Defter, and others -– and still prefer
ZoomNotes. Not the most intuitive design and interface, but the
developer is constantly adding new and useful features.

http://www.zoom-notes.com

Separate purchase on Mac and iOS totaling about $20 one time.

From my point of view interface design is an issue that affects the function, although sometimes we may think that it only concerns aesthetics. I have tested ZoomNotes for a while, I recognize that it is powerful, but I can't handle it. You said it yourself: its design and interface is not very intuitive. And I add that it is very ugly!

For this type of application, I definitely agree with you. One thing I find super intriguing about Defter Notes is that it's the first "spatial" application I've seen where you can freely rotate the canvas. It sounds like such a little detail, but it really makes it feel like you're manipulating a large physical piece of paper existing in its own space, rather than a two-dimensional canvas mediated by the computer.

tberni wrote:

>From my point of view interface design is an issue that affects the
function, although sometimes we may think that it only concerns
aesthetics. I have tested ZoomNotes for a while, I recognize that it is
powerful, but I can't handle it. You said it yourself: its design and
interface is not very intuitive. And I add that it is very ugly!