I'm not sure if it is accurate to say that CRIMPing can be extended to hardware, but, if so, then I am definitely CRIMPing the new iPad. I think there may even be an outliner or two that will run on it!

Steve

lol, should have been called iAmUseless, but I'm sure apple funs will buy it nonetheless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

quant wrote:

lol, should have been called iAmUseless, but I'm sure apple funs will buy it
nonetheless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

This is great. Thanks for sharing!

quant wrote:

lol, should have been called iAmUseless, but I'm sure apple funs will buy it
nonetheless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

Hey, I'd only watched the Apple movie about the iPad and those Apple engineers sure seemed impressed!

Steve

It wasn't too long ago I thought little netbooks w 10 inch screen were useless.

Then I bought one while my overly expensive Toshiba Satelite which may never have worked properly came back from the shop. When it didn't come back from the shop because the warranty people wanted to buy out my warranty instead, I had already got to like the netbook, in part because I could easily throw it in my smaller backback and go for long walks with it.

Rather than get another big laptop or a desk machine, I got a 23 inch flat screen instead.

For about $600 Cdn I am running the best system I have ever had.

Oh yes, I did have to get an external CD drive, which was another $50.

So I have wondered a couple of times what I'd do if I had an Ipad. And though I haven't come up with an answer, it doesn't mean there isn't one!

Cheers,

Daly


quant wrote:

lol, should have been called iAmUseless, but I'm sure apple funs will buy it
nonetheless
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4

Steve,

I'm on the sideline on this one for sure. The Stevenote was a bit underwhelming to me, but I think the device has incredible potential. I'll be keeping a close eye on it over the next few months.

Re iPhone outliners: I've moved stuff between OmniOutliner and CarbonFin it's not too bad. However, I most often just use tab-indented notes in Evernote foir a quick indeted list.

Regards,
Wes

Interesting for sure. If only there were a version of PersonalBrain for iPhone/iPad, I'd be sold. I'll wait to see how the HP Slate pans out.

This is what I was thinking too. PersonalBrain, Curio, and especially Tinderbox would be fantastic on this type of device.

I was also impressed by how they rewrote/rethought the iWork wordprocessing/spreadsheets/presentations suite for a touch interface. It makes you wonder if TabletPC could have been more successful if Microsoft had done the same for Office, rather than just producing the rather unimaginative OneNote and leaving it at that.

-- Chris

NW wrote:

Interesting for sure. If only there were a version of PersonalBrain for iPhone/iPad,
I'd be sold. I'll wait to see how the HP Slate pans out.

Hi.

I don't expect to see iPad editions of Curio, Tinderbox, Scrivener, et.al. in the next few months: Keith Blount, the developer of Scrivener, said that he would have to write a S. for iPad completely from scratch. He depends heavily on the text editing subsystem of Mac OS X that is not available in the iPhone/iPad OS. I guess that will be the same for Tinderbox, Curio, etc.

Moreover: You need a large screen to take full advantage of Curio, Tinderbox and Scrivener. The 9.x inch display is too small to see more than the piece of information you are just working at.

So: In my eyes, an iPad may be a nice input device for jotting down notes and transfering them to the application in which you continue processing it. For this purpose, no iPad-native edition of Tinderbox or Scrivener is required. For Curio that may be different as the tablet can be useful for drawing.

My 2cts,
Franz

Someone on the Scrivener forum - it might have been you Franz, or possibly AmberV, I can't remember - wrote that it is more of a consumer's toy than a producer's tool. That description makes sense to me.

However... that goes for iPad1. What about iPad2 or iPad3, which I can imagine will have enhanced capabilities such as multi-tasking, Flash and perhaps a camera? And the youngsters who meanwhile are bought it as a toy but then want to use it in class and later at work?

Barring disasters such as easily-crackable screens or exploding batteries - neither of which I expect from Apple - it will be interesting to see which small OS X developers will be the first to start to scale up their operations Evernote-wise to produce stripped-down versions of their software for the platform, in order to satisfy a demand which I think is likely to come.

H

Here's a head above the parapet:

http://blog.omnigroup.com/2010/01/29/ipad-or-bust/

(although of course OmniGroup are bigger than the typical Mac one-person or two-person shop).

http://venturebeat.com/2010/01/29/macmillan-amazon-ipad/

It appears that MacMillan's e-books will from now on be available only on the ipad (and cost 60% more). One early effect of the ipad!
Manfred

See also this: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/29/amazon-pulls-macmillan-books-over-e-book-price-disagreement/

If this is true, the price increase is "just" 50%.

Manfred

Hugh

Someone on the Scrivener forum - it might have been you Franz, or possibly AmberV, I
can't remember - wrote that it is more of a consumer's toy than a producer's tool. That
description makes sense to me.

That was AmberV. But I agree with her (though you can, off course, use it for production).

However... that goes for iPad1. What about iPad2 or
iPad3, which I can imagine will have enhanced capabilities such as multi-tasking,
Flash and perhaps a camera? And the youngsters who meanwhile are bought it as a toy but
then want to use it in class and later at work?

I only speak about iPad1. I cannot know what Apple will add to the next release.

But you mention one point that makes the iPad more a consumer product: Multitasking capabilities are missing. That means you cannot switch back and forth between an editing apps and e.g. your webbrowser or a PDF file you need for reference.

But don't get me wrong: I will probably get an iPad, once 2.0 is released by the end of this year (whether it has multitasking or not).
This will, however, not replace my Thinkpad Tablet PC, which I use for brainstorming, planning, writing and presenting.

Franz

Franz Grieser wrote:

I don't expect to see iPad editions of Curio, Tinderbox, Scrivener, et.al. in
the next few months: Keith Blount, the developer of Scrivener, said that he would have
to write a S. for iPad completely from scratch. He depends heavily on the text editing
subsystem of Mac OS X that is not available in the iPhone/iPad OS. I guess that will be
the same for Tinderbox, Curio, etc.

And for Opal. (In its case, it's not just the lack of editing styled text, it's that the routines I use to save and read styled text don't exist in iPhone OS.)

Nonetheless, I'm thinking about possible compromises. I sure hate to give up the ability to italicize individual words or include graphics, but I get the sense that an awful lot of the outliners out there don't actually offer such functionality.

What would people like us use it for? No exchangeable battery, no ability to add memory,....
Too big to carry around in your pocket. And if you are traveling, you probably want more capability. Better off with a netbook.
-c

Chris Thompson wrote:

This is what I was thinking too. PersonalBrain, Curio, and especially Tinderbox
would be fantastic on this type of device.

PersonalBrain has a web version in beta (alpha?). It gives (currently read-only) access to your brain if you upload it to their site.

http://www.webbrain.com/

This is accessible on iPhone and, presumably, iPad.

Tom S.

Cassius wrote:

What would people like us use it for? No exchangeable battery, no ability to add
memory,....
Too big to carry around in your pocket. And if you are traveling, you
probably want more capability. Better off with a netbook.

It would be much easier to read a book on this device than on my iPhone, which is currently what I use. It would be much more versatile than a dedicated device for this function and its practically the same price. It's more like a clipboard and would be, IMO, easier to carry and less conspicuous than a netbook when it comes to bringing it into meetings or seminars and taking notes or carrying it onto a plane. Browsing in an airport of on the go would be a lot easier with it because its a larger touch screen than an iPhone and doesn't require input through a keyboard or mouse pointer like a netbook. The GPS would be easier to read and use on the road than on a phone, something which might be more important while behind the wheel.

Having said that, as big a fan as I am of the iPhone, I don't plan on buying one of these any time soon. I want one but even with what I said above I'd have to think long and hard about whether I could justify it. I'd also want the 3G version, which will be more expensive and which will require a data plan. I'm doubting they'll let my use my current iPhone plan and there's no way I'll pay for two. If they make it a deal where its maybe $10 or $20 extra a month I might - maybe - consider it.

Tom S.

On a related note:

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3741&tag=col1;post-30310

Tom S.

Tom S. wrote:

Cassius wrote:
>What would people like us use it for? No exchangeable battery, no
ability to add
>memory,....
>Too big to carry around in your pocket. And if you are
traveling, you
>probably want more capability. Better off with a netbook.

It
would be much easier to read a book on this device than on my iPhone, which is currently
what I use. It would be much more versatile than a dedicated device for this function
and its practically the same price. It's more like a clipboard and would be, IMO,
easier to carry and less conspicuous than a netbook when it comes to bringing it into
meetings or seminars and taking notes or carrying it onto a plane. Browsing in an
airport of on the go would be a lot easier with it because its a larger touch screen than
an iPhone and doesn't require input through a keyboard or mouse pointer like a
netbook. The GPS would be easier to read and use on the road than on a phone, something
which might be more important while behind the wheel.

Having said that, as big a fan
as I am of the iPhone, I don't plan on buying one of these any time soon. I want one but even
with what I said above I'd have to think long and hard about whether I could justify it.
I'd also want the 3G version, which will be more expensive and which will require a data
plan. I'm doubting they'll let my use my current iPhone plan and there's no way I'll pay
for two. If they make it a deal where its maybe $10 or $20 extra a month I might - maybe -
consider it.

Tom S.

Tom S. suggested we read
http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3741&tag=col1;post-30310 .

I did.

It seems to me that the author suggests that the iPad will encourage intimacy. (Oh, yum!) The author apparently has never heard of electronic white boards that include printers which can print out what's on the board.

The problem is that this iPad is purposely crippled so that Apple can later sell "improved" versions and can charge large amounts for iPads with more memory. Apple certainly has a cynical view of its customers.

-c

For those really, really interested in this topic, Keith Blount, developer of Scrivener, posted a long -- and, I think, interesting -- post about the iPad, here:

http://lit-n-lat.blogspot.com/2010/02/ipad-and-mac-development.html

Steve

Cassius wrote:

Tom S. suggested we read

http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/hiner/?p=3741&tag=col1;post-30310 .

I
did.

It seems to me that the author suggests that the iPad will encourage intimacy.
(Oh, yum!) The author apparently has never heard of electronic white boards that
include printers which can print out what's on the board.

Yes, but this device does that and a lot more which is what makes it valuable. Its not "just" an electronic whiteboard or "just" an ereader. Its all of that and more in one reasonably priced device. Your argument is like saying that no one should buy an iphone because apparently we never heard that there are regular cellular phones available.

Your best argument that the device will fail is that I, someone who does see the value, probably won't be buying it despite that. We'll see what happens.

Tom S.