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This is becoming a PITA

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Jan Rifkinson wrote:

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I should be changed server in the coming days.

Please use the backup forum as to not turn this wonderful discussion place, which outlinersoftware is, into something dedicated to a single piece of software...

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Jan Rifkinson wrote:

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This is becoming a
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Jan.

Could you please stop that. Discuss the matter with Pierre Paul either directly or on the platform he suggested.

It is you who is becoming a PITA.

Franz

Franz Grieser wrote:

Jan.

Could you please stop that. Discuss the matter with Pierre Paul either
directly or on the platform he suggested.

It is you who is becoming a PITA.

Franz

Tell you what, Franz. If you want to call me names or make any other personal remark, you can reach me directly @ janrif@gmail.com or Tel 203-431-1691. Then we can discuss your manners person to person.

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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA

Jan.

You got mail.

Franz

1 )

Pierre Paul Landry wrote:

Please use the backup forum as to not turn this wonderful discussion place, which

outlinersoftware is, into something dedicated to a single piece of software...

Well, this is tremendous as I, seeing that a two-year-old footnote problem hadn't been resolved,

had permitted myself to give some hints that could even be considered mildly helpful when you accept that footnotes are important in the writing process but that their graphic representation in this writing process would not be necessarily a deciding factor,

only to see that PPL jumped immediately onto this 2-year-old bandwagon in order to state, IQ has it ! - not even awaiting the publication of my posting upon this long-buried subject,

and reading other threads, JPP seems to state invariably, IQ does it, whatever the problem might be.

2 )

This being said, I come from Asksam, of which its total unreliability I had been so fed up that I went to ActionOutline - who do a lot of advertising here, and which does not much but does it in an elegant way at least. This notwithstanding, I'm fed up with AO, too - perhaps I'll discuss the details in a thread for that, later on. Thus I'm searching for better stuff.

3 )

UltraRecall is a very fine software, we all know this. It's GUI is awkward, to say the least, but it has the right philosophy, it's a front-end to a real database ; IQ seems to follow that same valuable way. They - UR - made a foolish mistake, announcing the halt of development in the winter of 2008 ; they added foolishness in blocking Jan Rifkinson if I remember well, even deleting his previous posts there. Well, they are - excellent - programmers, not warmhearted people nor communication experts.

4 )

So I was willing to help them with their GUI, free of charge of course : having a good information manager for my own use would be so rewarding for me that I'm willing to invest effort and time, be it for third parties' financial benefit. Then I discovered something I think is scandalous : In the summer of 2008, some months before their announcement to halt development - they do also a valuable programming environment which seems to be their main source of revenue -, they had announced a sort of competition in which they had asked for a better GUI. Thus I had been a little bit late with my willingness to "help" them, but I didn't mind... unless I discovered the fact that the first prize of that competition had been 50 dollars in cash or a licence in the value of about 99 dollars - not even a lifelong licence, not speaking of some 2.000 dollars which would have been an adequate very low offering.

5 )

Perhaps I'm alone with my opinion, but offering 50 dollars for a week's work ( i.e. including explaining to them how to do, how different improvements could interact, aso ) is a shame, is disgusting, is revolting, and this way, some 6 months later, nothing was done with regards to GUI improvements : nobody seemed to have mailed them serious work, to be encoded by them ; I tried to download IQ instead.

6 )

I did not even get to install it ; this was six months ago. Some days ago, some minutes before my angry commentary upon JPP's pirating of every possible subject here, I had again tried to install it, to no avail : some language package was admonished to be absent, and installation was halted. I must admit that my Windows

- oh yes, considering my outliner problems, I am angry with myself to have bought DOS machines for the last 25 years, instead of Macs, but then, I've done too much of programming in this Gates World to shift to those queer beauties just for my PIM -

is a German version, whereas I use it mainly in French, with the Swiss-French keyboard in order to not going crazy by this, and so, IQ's installation problems perhaps go with the fact that it's not American.

7 )

Some minutes ago, I tried again to have PPL's website displayed : I intended to download IQ again, and to try again to install it in my ( ALL German Windows ) machines, in order to succeed at it at last, or to give you at least the precise error messages when installation aborted. I KNOW that IQ might be the "answer" to our problems -

and so, I would VERY much like to have it running on at least one of my machines - besides, I'm too stupid to install ECCO, too, of all programs : 200 others do not give me these headaches -, but is it only for Americans ?

8 )

Jan Rifkinson tried, here, to enter a discussion upon the accessability of IQ's site ; he found himself reprimanded by Franz Grieser, a German. Well, I tried to download IQ again - in order to install it for the first time if I had been lucky -, and the site - sqlnotes.net - told me I wasn't allowed access ( I've been trying this now for more than an hour ).

9 )

Cynics among you will rejoice about this, when in fact I'm not against PPL and IQ, I'm just against hier attitude to always telling us, IQ does it, in numerous threads here, when in fact people have the RIGHT to stay with their software and discuss problems they have with THAT software.

10 )

I'm looking for a really good software, and PPL is RIGHT to state IQ could be it, but it would be a better style to do a thread "IQ" where he could state, and twice a week would be okay for me, the news of IQ : I would read his thread with very much interest. First, he should give me a hint there how to install IQ on a non-American system, and it would be a good thing to open up again his site to non-Americans, even if for that he'd got to change his provider.

11 )

PPL impressed me with a statement some weeks / months ago : He said there that he didn't hesitate to buy third-party elements to insert into IQ, in order to be it the best possible software, and fast. Not too many developers are ready to do so, which is one of the elements that make me rather believe in his "child" that he is promoting relentlessly.

12 )

Even for licensing questions, there has been lately a discussion here where PPL states his opinions. Well, there had been a discussion here where people were afraid of entrusting InfoSelect their notes : a program that goes ( if you prefer so ) for 50 ( or 49 or whatever ) dollars a year ( paying upfront about 300 dollars, or was it 250, is also possible ) ; a lot of people joined in. PPL goes for 100 dollars a year ( or for 99 or whatever ) which is two times that amount ; nobody cries out loud upon this as I see ? Let's face it, IQ is 150 dollars ( or 149 perhaps, my memory is not that good ), and it isn't that but by stating that your revenue is under 200.000 dollars a year ( or it is 300, or 299 ) ; with the "personal" licence you can only do the thing you know what, shove it up your ...

13 )

Thus, IQ had better be good. For six month now, I would very much like to give it a try.

14 )

And then, UR is always there. Had they not been THAT miserly, I'd LOVED to start it giving a rehaul by which even people with my moderate intellectual capacities would be happy with. ( quant - or was it quant ? -, once a most impressive poster in their forum, stated it bluntly, "intelligence helps with using UR indeed" ( I cite from memory ) - well, in terms of marketing, it helps to make it if not fool-proof, but... ACCESSIBLE at least : "utile"... ) - JPP profits from UR's marketing desaster. Well then, if he gives us some fine tool of work, I could live with that. I just have to try it out and don't know how.

Fredy,

Having programs not working properly because they assume that "the US = the PC-aware world" is something that I have encountered many times, ironically even with software from Europe (UK in particular). Note that my second working language is Greek, which makes things even more complicated than a latin-based language would.

However, I had no such trouble with InfoQube. I think that the installation problems you note should have some other cause. I suggest you try the portable version if you haven't; this should probably show what the issue is.

As for downloading, the new 'official' site at http://www.infoqube.biz/download and the older at http://sites.google.com/site/infoqube/download seem to work fine now, though I had also encountered some issues some time ago, namely the file not being fully downloaded.

I won't comment on your whole argumentation on PPL's attitude, pricing etc other than to say that I can understand that Pierre is in a rather awkward position; he's obviously been an outliner (ECCO Pro notably) user and fan for many years and now he's moved over to the 'other side', becoming a developer in an immature market. I note this immaturity as it explains many of the marketing (including customer service and pricing) 'experiments' that many companies we've discussed here implement.

As far as I'm concerned, I'd like the product to sell itself; this, however, is not always possible given the complexity of real-world information management. (As one developer / service provider puts it "the solution is almost entirely counter-intuitive" http://teblog.typepad.com/david_tebbutt/2008/11/collaboration-t.html ). So developers need to be marketers, provide community infrastructures, explain their programs in many different ways to all sorts of people. Some may do it better than others; hopefully (but not necessarily), the ones with the best products. I, for one, am willing to listen.

Alexander

Fredy,

For many years I have searched for & used many PIM type programs starting with Lotus Agenda (a program way ahead of it's time) +/- 30 yrs ago. Each time I thought I had found *it* -- the program that would do everything I wanted. I suppose I could say that EccoPro came the closest & that ADM was the most interesting & capable approach IMO. Unfortunately, both went down in flames.

UltraRecall Pro is a good program but you know the history there so I won't repeat it.

I cannot comment on your installation problems as I am on an American PC. However, I can tell you that the SQLNotes forum was having problems & seems to be fixed now. The past months have been made much more complicated because the product name changed, the forum & community sites changed & transferred to new servers. And as a lone developer, I think Pierre has had his hands full handling all that, making a living, being a husband, father & programming InfoQube as well. I say all this even tho I exhibited some impatience.

I will also say that I sometimes get annoyed @ Pierre's constantly saying InfoQube handles this & that or will handle this or that or he has plans for IQ to handle this or that. While I admire his plans & I pray they all come true, I am interested in a working program where I can organize my stuff now. IQ does that for me at this time.

I find Pierre to be extremely responsive to user concerns for the most part, very attentive to bugs & problems -- again -- for the most part while there are some things which I'm frustrated are taking so long to implement while I see effort expended on things that I see as less important. Of course, if you were to talk to the next user, they would probably say the same thing -- but referring to different things. But for the most part, I believe (from years of playing around w these programs) InfoQube is progressing in a rational manner.

It is quirky but, in all honesty, I can say that it is extremely useful, malleable for many uses but does take some learning. Perhaps too much but that's an individual judgment. However, it is a solid program, stable. I am no longer afraid to commit all my stuff to it & I do so every day. It handles all that I do even better than UR did. Again, I recognize different strokes for different folks & what works so well for one doesn't for another. All I can say is that IQ is so flexible you can make it do almost anything you want it to do both in text, html, MHT. Getting data into the program from other sources couldn't be easier.

The latest version, which can be downloaded from URL http://www.infoqube.biz/download has some really good changes in it. And within a relatively few days, IQ will offer import from a number of other dBs including UltraRecall. For me personally, this is wonderful news as I can hardly wait to rid myself of that program, get if off my machine & say goodbye to Kinook.

Take a look @ the InfoQube roadmap @ URL http://mantis.sqlnotes.net/roadmap_page.php I would say that Pierre has been pretty true to that.

If you still encounter problems, I can't imagine Pierre ignoring you or your problems.

Also if I can be of help, I am happy to do so as I really believe in this software (& no, I have absolutely no financial interest in Pierre's company or the product itself)

Sincerely,
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Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA
janrif@gmail.com

Hello Fredy,

just a note: I too have an 'all german' XP Home SP2' installation. On May 26. I downloaded IQ from their site, installed it together with a sample database and ran it without any problems.

Greetings,
Peter.

FWIW, German users are the second largest group after the US. Then comes Canada and then China:

United States: 895 visits/month
Germany: 459 visits/month
Canada: 343 visits/month
China: 222 visits/month

@Fredy: if your having difficulty running IQ, I'll gladly help you out. Simply use the forum or directly at betasupport@sqlnotes.net

Hi in general, and especially to Jan, Alexander and Pier Paul,

1 )

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2 )

And I'm always frustrated by my inability to install IQ. Downloading isn't fast ( 50 KB ) but even then it's done in less than 4 minutes, and then I get stuck :

C:\InfoQube0.9.24BPortable.zip\sbdll.dll ( this one's from May 28, so it's brand-new ) :

Directories ( I didn't find any install file there ) :

AppData
AppFiles
Controls
icons
Themes

Files here :

InfoQube.exe > "Cannot load language file. Aborting."
InfoQube.exe.Manifest
InfoQubeClipper.exe
InfoQubeFFExtension.xpi
InfoQubeForUser1.bat
InfoQubeTBExtension.xpi
irun.dll
sbdll.dll

Please help !

3 )

Jan put it perfectly right : We are people who use some outliners in order to get our stuff into a manageable form ; much more than 90 p.c. of pc users don't even know this kind of program ; thus, the market isn't large to say the least, and it's divided into a hundred or so competing programs, hence the trying out of things by their creators doing the marketing themselves.

4 )

But we all know that a 50 dollars licence just for "private" use is worthless since we all do private and business use with our PIM, interwoven in many ways, and a 100 dollar licence per capita seems to be reasonable since Ultra Recall is 90 ; major updates should be 50 dollars. If Pier Pauls insists, 150 dollars is an acceptable max price but which will cost him more money in licences not bought than will bring him money by the additional 50 dollars ; his idea to charge 300 dollars for high-earning users isn't a good idea since it will de-motivate such corporations to register a genuine licence for every staff member ( see point 7 here ). ( And Pier Paul should consider the prices and the supposed circulation of Ultra Edit and Multi Edit : I'm sure that the latter, by pricing twofold, cut by 10 their possible sales, good quality notwithstanding ; by the way, I use neither but TSE : once you've learned a programming language, you stick to it, and NO editor of my knowledge offers real arrays unfortunately... )

5 )

But number 3 here applies to Ultra Recall also, therefore I had to laugh out loud when Jan tells me, perfectly right, to show leniency towards Pier Paul's marketing try-outs, but tells us he is eager to withdraw Ultra Recall from his computer : Kinook's faults are marketing faults, and programmers overwhelmed by the negative returns of their marketing openness / na?vet? try to protect themselves and throw out an intelligent but troublesome poster who's getting to ruin them as they fear : As soon as we consider them ( very good ) programmers who just can't get much right otherwise, we shouldn't be any more so much angry with them ?

6 )

Because, let's face it, for the time being, Ultra Recall seems to be the best "outliner" out there ( except for IQ I don't know yet ) since it's ( with IQ ) the only ( ? ) one relying upon a real database, permitting to have ( = to be able to search in ) all our stuff ( 1 GB or more ! ) in ONE ( hoistable ) tree, without speed or crashing problems created by this ( sorry to say this, but MyInfo for example crashed on my system as soon as I tried it out a little bit, not speaking of importing millions and millions of characters into it, and it didn't allow cloning BETWEEN trees : no problem with that if all your stuff CAN be contained in one tree, but if the limitations of the program architecture force you to split up your things into different trees of "reasonable" size, then the program MUST be able to handle cloning between DIFFERENT trees - hence the interest in the outliner being the front-end to a real database : UR, IQ... ).

7 )

Jan says also that IQ isn't too easy to use. Very well then, if UR fails ultimately, it's by this element, and my idea ( here point 4 ) that Pier Paul should consider taking 100 or 150 dollars per user, not 50/150/300, depends on ease of use for the basic functionality : People must PREFER to use IQ to using other software, in order to have it licensed ( be it by their superiors, be it that they buy it themselves ) !

Since this forum is not a perls before swine portal but a real discussion among intelligent, basically well-intended people, and since Jan isn't alone with his eagerness to promote software he likes and he loves ( and so I understand him and never would insinuate he's paid for promoting IQ ), it should be possible to help Pier Paul to do it right, GUI-wise, in order for him to avoid such a disaster as UR's, which isn't but a GUI disaster, in its widest sense.

You can always offer sophisticated functions, but the basic functions must be available in an easy, comprehensive way : it's a easy as that. If IQ is easy enough - or will be in a year or so -, Pier Paul will get a lot of press coverage, and by this, a lot of business. There IS a market out there for "another" software, but people, in order to shift to it, it has to be accessible to them.

8 )

On May 29, Jim Hartman of askSam posted in their forum, stating they finally got by the crashing problems of askSam 7 which drove people crazy for more than a year. He's conservative about their find, fearing users will report more crashes altogether, but I, having been the most unmerciful critic of askSam in the months gone by, would be very happy for him to have finally found THE crashing problem with askSam, since with all its numerous defaults, when askSam will not be crashing any more at least, it will be re-entering the handful of "considerable" softwares, and its programming staff will finally get back to be able to develop its functionality, to overcome its many draw-backs, instead of panick-stricken searching that single line, that single character in their code that made them lose so many ( actual and prospective ) users these last months.

Pier Paul said it about some 2 months ago : Nothing seems to have changed in those years, people were complaining about crashes years ago, and they are still complaining about crashes. Unfortunately, this wasn't only right, but years ago, there was some crashing, and with version 7, there were loyal users who reported one crash per hour or so ; I wondered what people lately could have done with AS : for working in a corporate environment or except for Pier Paul's 50 dollars "private license" use, what could have anybody done with it ? One crash per hour is severe masochism, not work !

But if Hartman is right, and they've found the devil in AS, AND if at last they implement some better functionality, AS isn't dying for now, and that would be more than fine !

Here's the link to Hartman's post, which was a delight for me to discover :

http://www.asksam.com/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=9401 ( near the end )

9 )

Of course, internet page storage problems with AS are rather ridiculous, especially considering that the same people do a "SurfSaver" - but, and here I let out a real secret, perfect work does rely most of the time not upon saving web pages ( because working is upon making choices, not collecting masses ), but upon saving, in straight text ( I always use Arial 10 points ), passages of text of those pages, be it the main text of the page, with the URL, or be it several passages of a page where you've got saved some passages already : THIS work must be semi-automated in order to ease your task.

a )

I, at this time, use a macro in the Internet Explorer : ^a, ^c, goto ActionOutline.

There, I do Enter = new item, type its name, then, instead of Enter, a new macro : Enter, go to text ( of the new item ), insert as plain text, go to Internet Explorer, copy the URL, go back to ActionOutline, go to the beginning of the text, insert that URL and a blank line, then go back to Internet Explorer

b )

For a ( first or an only ) text passage ( of a given web page ), the same, but it's a selected text ( by mouse ), instead of the ^a

c )

For further text passages, of the same page : one click does copy the ( by mouse ) selected passage into the clipboard, go to AO, puts 2 blank lines after the text, puts the text as plain text there, and goes back to the IE.

This way, I get the sources, and I get the relevant passages of those sources, into my texts, where afterwards I put into bold the "relevant passages of the relevant passages", and I know that with multiple clipboards, I could even simplify my macros, but the important point here is :

Most people succeed in creating almost the same chaos in their working environment on their computer, that they find in the web : Fearing they "miss" something when they don't get the whole page, they try to store the complete page ( whenever this is necessary, the .mht format is there to help me out ), and by this, they just get a first selection ( "what page is to be stored" ), when they'd get a real information by just copying a relevant ( or several relevant ) passages of that page, which would get them TWO selections, a broad one and a particular one, when the putting to bold text afterwards creates the THIRD selection.

This way, you get ( intermediate ) RESULTS from the web, whereas just storing complete web pages, most of the time, isn't but fearful, false exhaustiveness NOT giving results - in those times people weren't online but for minutes, storing complete web pages was understandable : the passage selection had to be done afterwards, offline ; today, it's a hindrance to your real work - since you HAVE to do that second selection, that selection of relevant passages, but the web page in its entirety is in your way then.

10 )

What I'm saying here is, the perfect storing of all possible web pages is a false task for a PIM / information management system ; it is much more important to easy semi-automate the process of "manual selection" of PARTS of web pages, from your browser into your PIM ; neither in the available softwares, nor in the general discussion this aspect has been reflected.

Sometimes, I need .jpg's ; the same procedure, except for "copy as such" instead of "copy as plain text".

Rather often, tables, and this is gross, since with tables I often sit 10, 20 minutes doing work manually. There are tables in web pages that are constructed in a "normal" way, row for row ; not so many problems there when you manually replace spaces with tabs, and of course it would be highly preferable to semi-automatically treat the html code instead ( because there are spaces in the cell texts which should remain spaces, and those spaces between cells that should become tabs ). But there are other tables, created by real sadists, column by column, and there you better re-type all the text manually, field by field ; when having such a pervert table, and you need it absolutely, well, better make a partial screenshot of that table, and insert it as a .jpg !

( Lately, I'm beginning to think I schould write a macro to re-arrange those columns and rows by the source text of those pages : if you have an editor macro to do it, you copy the table from the source text into the editor, run the macro, and have the text by rows THEN by columns, instead of having it by colums THEN by rows ; this rearrangement, be it by program or be it manual, is necessary to store those tables as text. )

I state these table problems because we all face them in real work, and because current software ( of my knowledge ) does not help us with them. IQ should do something I do with texts, for one, AND should help us with tables - with the two sorts of tables !

People who claim that I state the most natural things in the world here, are lying to themselves : 99 p.c. of people today work in a FALSE way, going forth and back between their browser ( be it even integrated in their PIM ) and their working environment ( be it a PIM or MS Word or whatever ), hence the value of my hint.

And yes, there IS the necessity to have clones = cloned items in other ( sub- ) trees, but since in ActionOutline, I am forced to do without them, I discovered some other elements far more important in their influence upon your work efficiency : Yes, you can do without clones ( but it's no joy ), but you cannot do without a real good arrangement of your micro items in your micro folders ( = sub trees ) and their respective contents, and this costs a LOT of effort, and in all this clones ( i.e. the possibility to create clones ) do not help you whatsoever !

Which is to say, you can overcome the absence of cloning functionality, but you cannot overcome the absence of the necessary time you need in order to work well in your repartition work...

But then, some people try it : by sophisticating the search functionality. And yes, that helps. And yes, that helps even with your storing complete web pages. But all this is groping around. Good search facilities - not those in AO ! - are essential...

but they don't replace the work YOU are expected to do in order to establish a sort of order in your things, enabling yourself to make the right decisions. ( By storing a max of web pages, people appease themselves but don't work ; so much for people whining about askSam not storing all possible web pages : it's laughable, but people complain about this inability much, much more than about those awful crashes... )

11 )

I am wild about putting things into perspective ; hence what I hear about IQ seems overwhelmingly good to me. How can I install that little wonder ?

This is a forum about software. Please keep it that way. I have never had to use my moderator status in the three years this site has been running, and I'd like to keep it that way. I won't tolerate any kind of personal attack on any other user of the forum.

Thanks,
Chris

Is there anybody willing to explain to this very stupid contributor how to just install infoqube if he promises to not afterwards comment upon its features. Or is it just for the happy few with superior intelligence to even have a look at it.

You can try using the instructions given here: http://www.sqlnotes.net/drupal5/index.php?q=node/697

If you're still experiencing difficulties, you can use the IQ community web site (http://www.sqlnotes.net/drupal5 to work things out.

Fredy wrote:

Is there anybody willing to explain to this very stupid contributor how to just
install infoqube if he promises to not afterwards comment upon its features. Or is it
just for the happy few with superior intelligence to even have a look at it.

Here's a bit of extension of PPL's procedure for the PORTABLE version (no Registry involved)
This procedure works for most portable programs.

1. Extract the folder "InfoQube0.9.24BPortable" from the downloaded zip file.
2. Move this entire folder to the "C:\Program Files" folder.
3. Then, open the "InfoQube0.9.24BPortable" folder, and copy (CTRL-C) the file "InfoQube.exe"
4. If you want an icon on the desktop, right-click at an open space on the desktop and select "paste shortcut."
5. If you wish to add it to "Programs" on the "Start" menu (in Win XP), right-click on the "Start" button and select either "Open" or "Open All Users" Then, open the "Programs" floder.
5. Right click on a blank space in the "Programs" folder and select "Paste Shortcut"
You're finished.

Thanks Cassius, I finally got to it, step 1 had been the problem, my free commander had fooled me, showing me yet unextracted files as if they had been automatically extracted ; I HATE zip files for the multiple problems I encounter with them. So finally, thanks to you, I got to IQ, and I am seriously considering buying a mac now in order to get far better outline software on that platform. Nobody had been willing to discuss my opinion about acessability of basic program features, AND I didn't get any answer to my question why people are SO fed up with Ultra Recall. Well, I see now that IQ will NOT devastate UR's market ; perhaps it's much better than its rival yet, or will be much better in some time, but it will need to prove it not in the process of use, but before that, in order for people to switch. At this time, I cannot imagine why people would make that switch since I don't grasp IQ's USP over UR ; what I grasp is that they share the same level of perfect inability to understand how a large public would like to be helped in their work, and so, deliberately both confine themselves to serving a select cognoscienti club,

like it is here in this forum represented where contributors are chatting most of the time like in an art gallery, with cocktail glasses in their hands, instead of really going to basics, but which anyway constitutes an added value for murtland ( since real highbrow elements show up here and there ) - cf. his incredibly foolish murtworld.com where he is on his own - and which allows him to sell his advertising without personal effort except for shutting up people, thus in the real web 2.0 way relying on selling third parties' freebee work... whereas the creator of surfulater asks us / you ( in "The Economics of PIM's" ) to not only work for murtland for free, but also to spend money to be allowed to be here ( "If the forums users donated funds or payed an annual subscription" ), which is so extremely gross of him that I think people should think thrice before buying any surfulator product.

He also says there, "An annual renewal or upgrade plan can be very effective. People will not renew unless new and useful versions are released" which is an even grosser lie since the annual subscription formula he advocates ( and which as a developer he must advocate in his own interest ) is just the ultimate trap : When the software BUYER isn't happy any more with his purchase, he will have to look out for something else, RENOUNCING on buying updates in the meanwhile but allowed - and able - to use his bought software up to the time when he will have found better, then happily transferring his data into the replacement software and forgetting about the old ( or reselling it for some bucks, perhaps ).

But franks pretends falsely, for his non-purchase but subscription scheme, "People will not renew unless new and useful versions are released", the opposite of which is exactly the point : When you just LEASE software you aren't anymore happy with, you'll have to pay altogether every subscription fee / annual renewal, as long as you haven't got replaced that "crap" software and / or have got any information in that software, e.g. some people work with their replacement software, but have got a lot of data in their "former" software which they do not want to migrate, for any reason :

Thus, franks' scheme is forcing upon you investing in software you do not any longer like, whereas with bought software, you won't make any other investment into it. He could retort that "of course" your ancient data is always accessible and exportable, but even this would be a kindness after expiration date of the software subscription, not a matter of course or your legal right, and then, even with "old" data, you would like to have some possibility to add or to change details, or even get new record into them.

So, contrary to franks' allegation that people wouldn't buy any subscription renewals when those weren't worth it by their quality, people would be forced to buy those renewals, notwithstanding their quality or usefulness for the user, just in order to not lose access to their data, which is the exact opposite of what he pretends : instead of being good to his customers, he would like to get more and more money out them them.

But, as we see here in this forum, claims of marketing people go almost unchallenged, except for UR staff which seem to be "out", and there is always the question of censorship which makes for self-censorship in the writings of contributors. When you are willing to acknowledge any positive element, be it as you see it or when others bring it to your attention, you should have the right to speak out freely, without having concerns, "will this get thru, will that be censored".

By which this forum is not a forum I can develop freely my thoughts. Goodby to all.

Thanks again to Cassius. In the desert, a glass of water is worth a fountain.

Fredy wrote:

Is there anybody willing to explain to this very stupid contributor how to just
install infoqube [snip]

Fredy, I see that you have now been able to install IQ. That's good.
Just a short note to let you know that there is already an update 9.24c available @ URL http://www.infoqube.biz/download
Click download under portable column
There are some nifty new things in the "c" version

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA

Jan Rifkinson wrote:

>Just a short note to let you know that there is already an
update 9.24c available @ URL http://www.infoqube.biz/download
Click download

Did you HAVE to tell ME that?

See interspersed COMMENTS.

Fredy wrote:

Thanks Cassius, I finally got to it, step 1 had been the problem, my free commander had
fooled me, showing me yet unextracted files as if they had been automatically
extracted ; I HATE zip files for the multiple problems I encounter with them.

I HAVE NO TROUBLE WITH ZIP FILES. TO EXTRACT, RIGHT CLICK ON THE FILE AND CHOOSE "EXTRACT." TO ZIP A FILE YOU NEED A SPECIAL PROGRAM. THERE ARE MANY FREE ONES. USE GOOGLE TO SEARCH FOR "ZIP PROGRAMS."

finally, thanks to you, I got to IQ, and I am seriously considering buying a mac now in
order to get far better outline software on that platform. Nobody had been willing to
discuss my opinion about acessability of basic program features, AND I didn't get any
answer to my question why people are SO fed up with Ultra Recall.

ULTRA RECALL WAS VERY POPULAR UNTIL DEVELOPERS SAID THEY WERE AT LEAST TEMPORARILY (POSSIBLY PERMANENTLY) DISCONTINUING DEVELOPMENT. MANY HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN BURNED BY PAYING FOR AN ADM PROGRAM UPDATE THAT NEVER APPEARED. THEN THE DEVELOPERS DISAPPEARED.

Well, I see now that IQ

will NOT devastate UR's market ; perhaps it's much better than its rival yet, or will be
much better in some time, but it will need to prove it not in the process of use, but
before that, in order for people to switch. At this time, I cannot imagine why people
would make that switch since I don't grasp IQ's USP over UR ; what I grasp is that they
share the same level of perfect inability to understand how a large public would like
to be helped in their work, and so, deliberately both confine themselves to serving a
select cognoscienti club,

TODAY, MOST ADVANCED PIMS DO NOT HAVE ADEQUATE HELP FOR "NEWBEES." IT'S
BEST TO START WITH A SIMPLER ONE, KEYNOTE, NOW DISCONTINUED, IS A FREE ONE. JOT PLUS IS PARTICULARLY EASY TO USE BUT IS NOT FREE.

like it is here in this forum represented where
contributors are chatting most of the time like in an art gallery, with cocktail
glasses in their hands, instead of really going to basics, but which anyway
constitutes an added value for murtland ( since real highbrow elements show up here
and there ) - cf. his incredibly foolish murtworld.com where he is on his own - and which
allows him to sell his advertising without personal effort except for shutting up
people, thus in the real web 2.0 way relying on selling third parties' freebee work...
whereas the creator of surfulater asks us / you ( in "The Economics of PIM's" ) to not
only work for murtland for free, but also to spend money to be allowed to be here ( "If the
forums users donated funds or payed an annual subscription" ), which is so extremely
gross of him that I think people should think thrice before buying any surfulator
product.

YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THIS FORUM BEGAN VERY MANY YEARS AGO, SO MOST PARTICIPANTS ARE OLD TIMERS AND MAY NOT REALIZE THAT A NEW PARTICIPANT IS UNFAMILIAR WITH PIMS.

He also says there, "An annual renewal or upgrade plan can be very
effective. People will not renew unless new and useful versions are released" which
is an even grosser lie since the annual subscription formula he advocates ( and which
as a developer he must advocate in his own interest ) is just the ultimate trap : When the
software BUYER isn't happy any more with his purchase, he will have to look out for
something else, RENOUNCING on buying updates in the meanwhile but allowed - and able -
to use his bought software up to the time when he will have found better, then happily
transferring his data into the replacement software and forgetting about the old ( or
reselling it for some bucks, perhaps ).

But franks pretends falsely, for his
non-purchase but subscription scheme, "People will not renew unless new and useful
versions are released", the opposite of which is exactly the point : When you just
LEASE software you aren't anymore happy with, you'll have to pay altogether every
subscription fee / annual renewal, as long as you haven't got replaced that "crap"
software and / or have got any information in that software, e.g. some people work with
their replacement software, but have got a lot of data in their "former" software
which they do not want to migrate, for any reason :

Thus, franks' scheme is forcing
upon you investing in software you do not any longer like, whereas with bought
software, you won't make any other investment into it. He could retort that "of
course" your ancient data is always accessible and exportable, but even this would be
a kindness after expiration date of the software subscription, not a matter of course
or your legal right, and then, even with "old" data, you would like to have some
possibility to add or to change details, or even get new record into them.

So,
contrary to franks' allegation that people wouldn't buy any subscription renewals
when those weren't worth it by their quality, people would be forced to buy those
renewals, notwithstanding their quality or usefulness for the user, just in order to
not lose access to their data, which is the exact opposite of what he pretends : instead
of being good to his customers, he would like to get more and more money out them
them.

But, as we see here in this forum, claims of marketing people go almost
unchallenged, except for UR staff which seem to be "out", and there is always the
question of censorship which makes for self-censorship in the writings of
contributors. When you are willing to acknowledge any positive element, be it as you
see it or when others bring it to your attention, you should have the right to speak out
freely, without having concerns, "will this get thru, will that be censored".

By
which this forum is not a forum I can develop freely my thoughts. Goodby to
all.
HOPE YOU READ THIS: IF YOU WISH TO FREELY EXPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS, YOU MUST ALLOW OTHERS TO DO THE SAME, WITHOUT BERATING OR DENIGRATING THEIR OPINIONS. GIVE YOUR OPINION, SAY WHY YOU BELIEVE ANOTHER OPINION WOULDN'T WORK, BUT USE NICE WORDS. AFTER ALL, WE ALL THINK DIFFERENTLY AND HAVE DIFFERENT DESIRES & NEEDS.

-CASSIUS

Thanks again to Cass ius. In the desert, a glass of water is worth a fountain.

Jan Rifkinson wrote:
>
>>Just a short note to let you know that there is already an

>update 9.24c available @ URL http://www.infoqube.biz/download
>Click
download

Did you HAVE to tell ME that?

No Cassius I didn't have to tell you that. In fact, I wasn't telling you anything. My post was addressed to Fredy who seemed to be having all kinds of trouble with IQ.

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield CT USA

The group dynamics here are so funky it's much more than caricatural only. Almost all are programmers, etc., but logic ain't the strongest quality for most. Ubiquitous whining about PIMs and others going bust, but soooo proud to of the happy few intelligent enough to use such highbrow software nobody understands but them. I have been treated like an idiot here from day 1 ; you and the marketeers here don't understand that treating like idiots normal people is not going to sell any product. It's a wonderful exclusivity here, in chatting ; but developers who develop for you, instead of developing for stupid people like me, are stupid developers, think about it. But then, whining about defunct software helps your egos, so those developers are serving the people they falsely assume they are backed by. Developers take YOUR feedback here, which serves them to avoid their market, and THAT's really funky. This forum is an outliners graveyard. I might be naive sometimes, but looking out for even more gross credulity than mine, here you'll find, plenty. Bye.

Freddy:

Attitude and tone aside, I think you have some valid points. Some people (myself included) require very specialized tools, hence the rarified atmosphere of this forum. As a group, there is an appreciation of, and an on-going quest for software that meets special needs or is flexible enough (aka complicated) to adapt.

Jon

Thank you Jon, in the desert a glass of water is worth a well.

Fredy:
... in order for him to avoid such a disaster as UR?s, which isn?t but a GUI disaster, in its widest sense.

UR has one of the BEST, most configurable GUI I've ever seen. YOU can create/customize your menus, create new and customize existing toolbars, configure 6 layouts, configure shortcuts, rearange all panes, make them floating, autohide or tabs of the single pane, ... almost anothing to make it exactly as YOU want it. Perfect!