Because:

References were asked & false assurances were made.

References were provided. Data needs to go to Vietnam for whatever period of time by any Cyber company there. They were ignored.

False assurances were shown to be easily full of holes.

Cases were referenced where Vietnamese companies hack their foreign users' encrypted database personal data.

And because it is not a democracy but a ruthless dictatorship (as Amnesty International points out to their Cyberforce even illegal hacking of activists online, NVM non-stop data theft from the west):
NO ACTION IS TAKEN: because such companies share the mined data with the regime intel forces AS THEIR LAW DICTATES.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN: it is not like you can sue a company in a western democracy, you can't. Not such proper legal territory.

Other points were evaded:
Who is/are the company actual owners' & their relationship to the dominant web of regime business networks, specially in Cybersecurity area there.
He says don't worry and you can trust your governmental organization data with them, as with your sensitive business/research secret data.

Same with his assurances:
The app will not see your data before encrypting. The app sees your data the second you type it.
etc etc.
10 categories of points totally evaded.

“[Enterprises] providing services on telecommunication networks or the internet and value-added services in cyberspace in Vietnam must store such data [here] for a period specified by the government.

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And soon much more stringent:

https://www.tilleke.com/insights/a-closer-look-at-vietnams-hotly-debated-draft-decree-on-personal-data-protection/


Ask stated above in their law in black and white and plain language plus Cyber security articles warn, any company with any internet activity dealing with online data (like Upnote) that is based in Vietnam (like Upnote) must:
Transfer the data their products deal with to Vietnam
For whatever period of time the related Commission stipulates for that company (open ended)
So they can inspect it

BTW indexing data into personal files is very easy as numerous data mining software does, for numerous marketing companies. Personal files are created by indexing names & emails & other details, takes a second, it is not even ai.

A major State-actor Cyberforce like Vietnam has access to much much more powerful tools, codes (legit + dark), legions of coders & operators. Consult an expert in this area if you or your superior needs to, some are free governmental services. Do not take the word of some anon online or a man in a bar that you are perfectly safe and cheers to the next round.

If you are in a western democracy and do upload your secret/patents/research in the business, industry & academic areas or governmental organizational data to them and get into difficulties later, I guess you can only defend yourself by providing a reference to Satis saying he assured you that your sensitive data would be perfectly safe. Good luck with that.

Appeal case closed too.

I see you're grasping here. You quote from a draft decree from February - which apparently was not implemented, since you haven't shown it to have been passed - specifically relating to Vietnamese citizens data, and which has nothing to do with encrypted data held outside the country belonging to non-Vietnamese citizens.

If you want to continued to hold unproven or poorly sourced beliefs based on misunderstandings that's your choice.

Ken wrote:

I decided to install Upnote on my desktop Win10 PC.
They do not offer the traditional d/l file so I can install the program
myself, so I used the Windows store for the first time. What I cannot
figure out is how I can either reinstall, and more importantly,
uninstall the program.

You should be able to uninstall any Windows Store apps from the Start menu: Right-click on it, click Uninstall, and that’s it.

Another method to uninstalling Microsoft Store apps is by doing it through your Windows Settings: press the Windows + I key combination then click on the Apps tile. This will take you to a page that, if you scroll down, has a long list of all of the applications installed on your PC. There’s also a search field so you can easily filter and find the application you may be looking for. Clicking on any application in this list will unveil the Move and Uninstall buttons for it.

To anyone being misled:

The Feb draft is the further stricter software laws to be passed before year ends. It is much larger. It is what was referred to twice as stricter laws, and linked.

Further, it is part of a much bigger bundle of laws which affects also hardware spying (servers, DNS, etc) and concerning any company having anything to do with internet. That was also linked. There will not be any opposition and they will pass as usual because it is the authoritarian norm & procedure there.

However the law I quoted in link 2 and whose sentence was quoted several times is not a 20201 draft, and leaves no doubt.
Any company registered within Vietnam, having anything to do with internet & online data for their users, has to transfer that data from external servers to Vietnam.
And hand it over to the the regime appropriate Cyber security commission for whatever period they stipulate.

It has been in effect as Vietnamese regime's Cybersecurty law since 2018, it is not a draft.

For the record.

To those reading: note that the proposed regulations still only relate to Vietnamese citizens’ personal data. Hard to say why Washere is blind to this. Confirm for yourself.

To those being misled,

As proven once again, never admits errors, just evades & changes subject. PROOF yet again of not proper interaction.

As to latest misleading comment, the 2018 law (yes not as falsely depicted as 2021 Feb draft & pretended never said it) applies to:

ANY Vietnam Based Company Having anything to do with internet and online data: have to transfer ALL online data to the well known Vietnam intel commission, for as long as they want it for.
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As i said research, linked articles and more.
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Use free governmental cyber security services for your org.

Also there is no way in this app to check the users' nationality (passport scan etc) to see if the user is Vietnamese or foreign, which is the latest misinfo that continues to encourage people to upload their sensitive academic/business & governmental data to them.

No excuses, sp. for gov org people here, except an online anon's reassurances to do so.
Consult experts sp. ifyou are within gov orgs, please.

Hope this clarifies the latest misinfo even if it was true:
The app does not distinguish between Vietnamese & foreign users.
All the data is subject to 2018 law.

QED.

To those being misled

LOL.

As if the people here cannot read for themselves.

So, thanks to washere and satis for taking their time to discuss this issue regarding Vietnamese data laws. I don't think I'm risking much personally even in worst case scenario, but it is good to see a discussion about this even if the participants in the discussion completely disagree.

On a side note, UpNote just added tag support a couple of days ago. It seems pretty well-implemented (I'm not a heavy tag user though.) You can see a list of tags in the sidebar, the info panel shows a list of tags for that note, and finally the tags themselves are also clickable within notes. You can also rename and delete tags from the sidebar, and the changes will be populated to all notes.

The only feature I am still waiting for is ability to collapse text (which is supposed to be coming.)

It's a good start, but I'm not sure how far they intend to take tags. Some apps, like Bear I believe, allow nested tags, which can be much more useful for searching, especially when your database of docs becomes quite large.

Two things I like about Apple Notes are the ability to search via aTags Browser, and the integration of Smart Folders (aka saved searches).

In my Windows 10 app, I don't see any possibility to insert tags, I can't see a list of tags in the sidebar, the info panel doesn't show a list of tags for that note, and finally the tags themselves aren't clickable within notes. You can't also rename and delete tags from the sidebar, hence the changes will not be populated to all notes.

Gianni

steveylang wrote:

On a side note, UpNote just added tag support a couple of days ago. It
seems pretty well-implemented (I'm not a heavy tag user though.) You can
see a list of tags in the sidebar, the info panel shows a list of tags
for that note, and finally the tags themselves are also clickable within
notes. You can also rename and delete tags from the sidebar, and the
changes will be populated to all notes.

The only feature I am still waiting for is ability to collapse text
(which is supposed to be coming.)

You should be able to type # followed by the word you want to use as your tag, with no spaces, then press Enter to confirm creating a new tag. They wrote about it here (but only gave examples for iOS, Android and macOS):

https://upnote.medium.com/organize-notes-with-tags-f0a76a37b6ed

I was able to create a new tag on Windows by typing it. Once it was added, the Tags heading appeared in the left pane in both Windows and Android. They were not visible before then.

Great! Thanks a lot.
Gianni

I'm pretty impressed by how far Apple Notes has come along since its Comic Sans (or whatever font it was) beginnings.

UpNote doesn't have nested tags, but it does have a tag browser and saved searches (which of course work for tags.)


satis wrote:

It's a good start, but I'm not sure how far they intend to take tags.
Some apps, like Bear I believe, allow nested tags, which can be much
more useful for searching, especially when your database of docs becomes
quite large.

Two things I like about Apple Notes are the ability to search via aTags
Browser, and the integration of Smart Folders (aka saved searches).

Here's my very belated comment on UpNote:

It's an exceptionally good note-taking program. I imported a couple of files (one of them with more than 2400 notes) from Evernote, and all went more or less smoothly. Just a few notes failed to come through, I think because of their size.

I can imagine using this app on a regular basis, but I have one small query: is it possible to have two or more notes open on the screen at once?

Bill

Oops. I just found the answer to my own naive question. Simply clicking twice (in Windows, anyway) on a note title in the left-hand column opens the note in a separate little window, and I see that I can have several notes open simultaneously.

This confirms my general impression of UpNote: it is an exceptionally powerful little app, but sometimes you have to poke around a bit to discover its potential.

It's continuing to improve, but for me it's only became usable this past week when they *finally* added the ability to search within notes.

But UpNote still doesn't offer tabs.

And in macOS its menubar/icon remains laughable - unlike many other notes apps the app must be running for the menubar icon to be available, and choosing New Note doesn't let you create a note from the menubar itself: it simply brings the whole app forward. (By comparison apps like SnipNotes let you add notes, edit notes and search notes from the menubar even when the app is closed. SnipNotes also has iOS and Apple Watch apps, as well as iOS widgets for quick access and quick editing, including adding photos and dictation.)

I bought it and I look forward to its continued improvements, but with the still-unlimited cloud storage they're promising for the app I remain very wary of depending on it because there's no way that offer is sustainable with a cheap one-time app purchase.

We'll now see whether Thomas Dao is as clever at marketing as he is at designing software.

A small question about UpNote (for those of you who have used it recently):

Is there a straightforward way of exporting a large group of notes to MS Word? (That's how I would like to keep backups.) I see various types of export listed on a menu, but "Export to Text" seems to strip all formatting, and I'm not clear how one could create a single Word-compatible document from the other choices ("Export to HTML," "Export to PDF," "Export to Markdown").

Hm, interesting choice of backup format, but fine.

MS-Word can, of course, read HTML files perfectly well, so that would be my suggestion. You could use Word to save out the HTML file(s) as .docx file(s), too.

I can’t remember if you operate in a Windows or macOS environment? That would make a difference in the case of markdown. There are several macOS apps that can import markdown files and then export them again as MS-Word; I’m not sure about Windows. But frankly, HTML is probably your best bet.

WSP wrote:

A small question about UpNote (for those of you who have used it
recently):

Is there a straightforward way of exporting a large group of notes to MS
Word? (That's how I would like to keep backups.) I see various types of
export listed on a menu, but "Export to Text" seems to strip all
formatting, and I'm not clear how one could create a single
Word-compatible document from the other choices ("Export to HTML,"
"Export to PDF," "Export to Markdown").

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm a citizen of the Windows world, incidentally.

Let me explain my problem in slightly more detail. I am thinking of using UpNote for a fairly large project -- a catalogue of William Morris's personal library. You can see the Web version at

https://williammorrislibrary.wordpress.com/

At the moment I have all the raw data in Evernote, a program that lately seems to be imploding in some respects. I just don't feel safe any longer in keeping this information in Evernote, and I am also now reaching the age where I will have to hand my notes over to another scholar or institution in the foreseeable future. I've experimented with shifting the data into Onenote, which isn't ideal but is presumably not going to disappear in the future. Yet OneNote will not import Evernote files reliably nowadays, and copying and pasting is enormously time-consuming for a project of this size.

Hence my recent experiments with UpNote. It's a brilliant little program (am I perhaps pushing it too far?) that imports Evernote files quite smoothly (though unfortunately not the tags in Evernote). I like it very much. But UpNote seems to be a one-man operation, and if it were to fold within a few years, then I would have to transfer all this data again. (Ugh.) Hence my search for a presumably more stable program like OneNote that might carry this project into the future if necessary. If I were convinced that UpNote could export data in an easily usable format, I would be tempted to choose it.

The Other Bill

Bill, would an academic reference program such as Citavi or Zotero be useful for you? I am in early stages of learning Citavi.

Daly

WSP wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm a citizen of the Windows world,
incidentally.

Let me explain my problem in slightly more detail. I am thinking of
using UpNote for a fairly large project -- a catalogue of William
Morris's personal library. You can see the Web version at

https://williammorrislibrary.wordpress.com/

At the moment I have all the raw data in Evernote, a program that lately
seems to be imploding in some respects. I just don't feel safe any
longer in keeping this information in Evernote, and I am also now
reaching the age where I will have to hand my notes over to another
scholar or institution in the foreseeable future. I've experimented with
shifting the data into Onenote, which isn't ideal but is presumably not
going to disappear in the future. Yet OneNote will not import Evernote
files reliably nowadays, and copying and pasting is enormously
time-consuming for a project of this size.

Hence my recent experiments with UpNote. It's a brilliant little program
(am I perhaps pushing it too far?) that imports Evernote files quite
smoothly (though unfortunately not the tags in Evernote). I like it very
much. But UpNote seems to be a one-man operation, and if it were to fold
within a few years, then I would have to transfer all this data again.
(Ugh.) Hence my search for a presumably more stable program like OneNote
that might carry this project into the future if necessary. If I were
convinced that UpNote could export data in an easily usable format, I
would be tempted to choose it.

The Other Bill

You may want to try Nimbus Note:
https://nimbusweb.me/blog/how-do-i-import-notes-from-evernote-to-nimbus-note/


WSP wrote:

At the moment I have all the raw data in Evernote, a program that lately
seems to be imploding in some respects. I just don't feel safe any
longer in keeping this information in Evernote, and I am also now
reaching the age where I will have to hand my notes over to another
scholar or institution in the foreseeable future.

I'm more or less familiar with those academic reference programs, but unfortunately for my list of Morris's library I have had to adopt a nonstandard style. I've also made heavy use of images. Both of those things cause problems in reference programs.

I still look back with nostalgia at MyInfo, incidentally, but for some reason the more recent versions cannot easily communicate with each other (through Dropbox) between my two computers. I'm tempted at times to try again to resolve that problem.

I bought the latest MyInfo version, and am disappointed. I couldn't find out how to have multiple note windows open at the same time. I wrote to Petko, and he said there still workng on it and we would see it soon. Multi open note windows was one of the main reasons I liked MI, along with its use of columns.

However, a major dislike is the design changes. It's a fad in a number of programs, not just MI, to have thin black lines, and too much glaring white. I don't like to have lots of thin black lines
and scads of white space. I miss the colours, thicker borders, and the pleasing results. Strangely, though, in the new MI you can have a coloured background on a note, except for where the type is, and the background remains white. IOW, the colour part of the note is a border of yellow, or green, etc around the edges. Incidentally, that became a problem in the later upgrades of the older MI version.

Daly




WSP wrote:

I'm more or less familiar with those academic reference programs, but
unfortunately for my list of Morris's library I have had to adopt a
nonstandard style. I've also made heavy use of images. Both of those
things cause problems in reference programs.

I still look back with nostalgia at MyInfo, incidentally, but for some
reason the more recent versions cannot easily communicate with each
other (through Dropbox) between my two computers. I'm tempted at times
to try again to resolve that problem.