(Yet another) interesting new app!

Started by MadaboutDana on 6/4/2019
MadaboutDana 6/4/2019 3:47 pm
Well, in one of my periodic crawls through the Mac App Store, I've found an interesting markdown-based notetaker called Notenik. Clearly programmed by a passionate textual note person, it looks unusually sophisticated for a simple notes app, featuring folders, tags, sub-tags and any number of custom fields per note.

I haven't played with it yet, but it sounds pretty cool. There's a very comprehensive introduction here: https://notenik.net/swift.html

Oh, and it's free (code on GitHub).

That CRIMPy itching has started already!

Cheers,
Bill
MadaboutDana 6/4/2019 3:51 pm
Oh, and another interesting, albeit text-only app (no markdown) with a very interesting feature - the automatic creation of hyperlinks from any word/phrase that exists as the title of a note in the database. So the more you write, the more links you get.

The app, Hyperlinks, is available for macOS and iOS (whereas Notenik is currently only available for macOS). The more I look at it, the more intriguing I find the premise... although the price is perhaps a little, hm, optimistic. But hey ---

Another shiny!

;-)
soypunk 6/4/2019 4:32 pm
Do you have a link for Hyperlinks? I'm not seeing it in my App Store searches.
MadaboutDana 6/4/2019 5:05 pm
Only to the website: http://hypertextsapp.blogspot.com
soypunk 6/4/2019 6:02 pm
Awesome, thanks! (I was searching for wrong app name)
soypunk 6/4/2019 6:41 pm
Hypertexts for iOS first impression notes:

- It uses iCloud (but not iCloud Drive) for data storage and sync
- It is strictly plain-text, no formatting
- Links will break if you rename the linked page
- There's no special syntax for links, it just match a string of text to it is database of page names
- Search is fast but I only create a 50 or so notes for testing, no idea how well it works with larger data sets
- I could not find a data export feature (and because it is not using iCloud Drive you can't just do it yourself necessarily)

I'm fine with the simplicity of the app (one sync solution, no formatting, no attachments) but I'd like to see page renaming and a data exports supported. I could not find a means to contact the developer but I did leave a review suggesting as much.
Paul Korm 6/5/2019 12:41 am
Notenik is interesting, but you get what pay for. It's free. And it's very buggy. After a few attempts to do what the help file says it does, the app stopped letting me edit notes.

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Alexander Deliyannis 6/5/2019 5:56 am
Perhaps the title "(Yet another) interesting new MacOS/iOS only app!" might be more appt

MadaboutDana wrote:
Another shiny!

MadaboutDana 6/5/2019 8:48 am
Sorry, Alexander - yes, you're quite right, I ought to have made this clearer...

As for Notenik: I've successfully created new collections and saved existing ones out as new collections. The only instability I've noticed so far is a tendency to crash if you change the fields in your note template for a collection. But I've only just started to play with it.

The author can be contacted via his own website at https://herbbowie.com He looks like an amiable, old-school programmer who's up for learning new tricks. I've mentioned the instability to him and also asked how one can get more fields to show in the left-hand list of notes (new collections only show "Title", but his own help file shows "Seq" and "Title"). I'm hoping we can build a positive, development-boosting relationship!

The idea is sensational. I'm interested to see how it evolves.
MadaboutDana 6/5/2019 9:09 am
#soypunk, re: Hypertexts

Yes, I see why you'd want page renaming, but I think that may be overlooking one of the strengths of the app, which is the automation of its linking function. I agree, this is unusual, and may not suit everybody, but if you wanted to rename a page, one option would be to copy it, create a link from the old page to the new page, and go from there. That would also represent a kind of audit trail.

I'm not quite sure about the use case, and the price of the macOS version is a little steep for what is effectively a slightly enhanced text editor. But I'm going to experiment with the iOS version and see what happens.

As for exports: it's creating simple text files in an iCloud folder, which you can open in the app of your choice. No need to export, really.
soypunk 6/6/2019 12:58 am
MadaboutDana wrote:

Yes, I see why you'd want page renaming, but I think that may be
overlooking one of the strengths of the app, which is the automation of
its linking function. I agree, this is unusual, and may not suit
everybody, but if you wanted to rename a page, one option would be to
copy it, create a link from the old page to the new page, and go from
there. That would also represent a kind of audit trail.

It is mostly that if that app is going to pretend to be a wiki, I kinda like it to be a wiki. Otherwise there are several apps on iOS that already support linking to text notes by name.

As for exports: it's creating simple text files in an iCloud folder,
which you can open in the app of your choice. No need to export, really.

At least on iOS I cannot locate the folder it is storing the plain-text document in so I wondered if it was using an iCloud storage container (which is SQLite backed and not necessarily easy to access though it is not impossible if you know you way around such things.) Perhaps the Mac version makes it more obvious. (For example NotePlan on iOS exposes a folder under iCloud Drive in which I can access all the text notes and such... this app, at least for me, is not working that way.)

-s
MadaboutDana 6/6/2019 8:09 am
Ah, interesting about Hypertexts's iCloud storage. I'll check it out (haven't had time yet). But another irritating shortcoming has made itself apparent - the "search" function only searches file names, not file content. This, in a text-based app, is a serious flaw and makes it pretty much useless for any serious work. Especially when - no tags.

Grrrr. Maybe I'll contact the developer.
MadaboutDana 6/6/2019 8:11 am
With Noteniks, I've not had the instability issues mentioned by Paul, but have discovered that the various fields are more or less useless for filtering purposes. The app doesn't appear to use them or even index them, apart from certain base fields (Seq, Date, Title, Tags). I assume the developer is giving himself plenty of room for further development work. Otherwise, what's the point?

Apart from that, it's quite a nice app, but it's not in danger of taking over my life anytime soon...

Unlike NotePlan, which simply gets better and better!
marlowe 2/22/2020 4:04 pm
Just saw the developer introduced html mirroring and opml export