Agreed. WhizFolders is excellent for the uses you describe. I have used it for many years. Unless I misunderstand, WhizFolders does not handle attachments well. It is advised not to embed too many attachments because it slows the program down considerably. If I must have references to material in other files, I use links instead. When this is not an option (when I must have my references in one place), I rely on Scrivener.

Jon

washere wrote:

Finally I recommend serious outliner fanatics to get Whizfolders for
Windows too. It has many attachments and does not crash like others with
complex attachments. It is useful for writing artciles, academic papers,
outlines of ideas and stories etc.

Jon Polish wrote:

Agreed. WhizFolders is excellent for the uses you describe. I have used
it for many years. Unless I misunderstand, WhizFolders does not handle
attachments well. It is advised not to embed too many attachments
because it slows the program down considerably. If I must have
references to material in other files, I use links instead. When this is
not an option (when I must have my references in one place), I rely on
Scrivener.

Jon

washere wrote:
>Finally I recommend serious outliner fanatics to get Whizfolders for
>Windows too. It has many attachments and does not crash like others
with
>complex attachments. It is useful for writing artciles, academic
papers,
>outlines of ideas and stories etc.

Yes I use scrivener for very big projects too. What I meant by many was it supports many types, pictures tables spreadsheets etc as he uses OLE. Better practice is to have multi documents tabs, can link to reach other anyway.

Whiz is good for outlining and writing quick articles, then RTF export all our shaved topics & exit whiz. Then quickly convert RTF to markdown, takes a few seconds. Then depending on use, drop into one of my many site/wiki generators, which also takes only seconds with modern generators to update and generate the whole site and it's live.

If I use OLE attachment types or links, it's usually for reference while writing, not part of output. So no problems.

I see. Thank you for explaining.

Jon

Jon Polish wrote:

I see. Thank you for explaining.

Jon

Pleasure. I don't recommend new users to buy whizfolders though.

I'm moving off from Whizfolders. Well I actually have stopped.

It's written in an ancient SDK.
Which is why essentially it's dead and will only receive minor updates, nothing major as in others.

Converting RTF to markdown needs first converting to docx.
The similar software which is free, Atomic Scribbler outputs into docx, more efficient, nicer to use too and faster to create in.

Scribbler also has a modern user interface and is relatively new and unlike the dead-end whizfolders has a roadmap of major features planned.

Whizfolders will probably have minor tweaks but will slip back into abandonware phase again after minor cosmetics which will be it's final resting place.

Because it's easier to rewrite something in modern user interface than any major changes. Problem other apps like ConnectedTex are also facing. They're essentially dead, not worth rewriting from scratch in modern interface classes. Whiz was a chunky minor app with better alternatives but ConnectedText is a tragedy. It was unique.

I suggest for people new to outlining on Windows to outline on NoteCase Pro, very cheap also free lite versions on many platforms. Then transfer notes further up.

For small articles or projects use free atomic scribbler, free.

For large projects, scrivener windows 3 beta is free, released every few months. To be released within a year. Will be relatively cheap, a must buy and will sync with their Mac version in a free cloud account too if using multi platforms like some of us.

Avoiding dying old SDK based apps is always good. Specially if they have been comatose abandonware recently. Also it's much nicer to work in apps written in modern interfaces, because they're much faster and more efficient and guaranteed major updates and features for years to come depending on developer's roadmap.

If new to Windows outliners then can actually get free versions of below and when scrivener 3 is released for under fifty dollars or so, let's face it you better buy it anyway.

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40621

https://www.atomicscribbler.com

http://notecasepro.com/download.php

Isn't the GTK used by NoteCase rather outdated too? It cannot do tables, struggles with encoding, web clips are not faithful, no numbered lists, etc. Even updating to GTK3 will not resolve most of these limitations (I could be wrong about this claim). Don't misunderstand. I like NoteCase a lot and find it very useful. I imagine it is extremely appealing to those using multiple platforms, but I am just on Windows.

Jon

washere wrote:

Jon Polish wrote:
I see. Thank you for explaining.
>
>Jon

Pleasure. I don't recommend new users to buy whizfolders though.

I'm moving off from Whizfolders. Well I actually have stopped.

It's written in an ancient SDK.
Which is why essentially it's dead and will only receive minor updates,
nothing major as in others.

Converting RTF to markdown needs first converting to docx.
The similar software which is free, Atomic Scribbler outputs into docx,
more efficient, nicer to use too and faster to create in.

Scribbler also has a modern user interface and is relatively new and
unlike the dead-end whizfolders has a roadmap of major features planned.

Whizfolders will probably have minor tweaks but will slip back into
abandonware phase again after minor cosmetics which will be it's final
resting place.

Because it's easier to rewrite something in modern user interface than
any major changes. Problem other apps like ConnectedTex are also facing.
They're essentially dead, not worth rewriting from scratch in modern
interface classes. Whiz was a chunky minor app with better alternatives
but ConnectedText is a tragedy. It was unique.

I suggest for people new to outlining on Windows to outline on NoteCase
Pro, very cheap also free lite versions on many platforms. Then transfer
notes further up.

For small articles or projects use free atomic scribbler, free.

For large projects, scrivener windows 3 beta is free, released every few
months. To be released within a year. Will be relatively cheap, a must
buy and will sync with their Mac version in a free cloud account too if
using multi platforms like some of us.

Avoiding dying old SDK based apps is always good. Specially if they have
been comatose abandonware recently. Also it's much nicer to work in apps
written in modern interfaces, because they're much faster and more
efficient and guaranteed major updates and features for years to come
depending on developer's roadmap.

If new to Windows outliners then can actually get free versions of below
and when scrivener 3 is released for under fifty dollars or so, let's
face it you better buy it anyway.

https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40621

https://www.atomicscribbler.com

http://notecasepro.com/download.php

Jon Polish wrote:

Isn't the GTK used by NoteCase rather outdated too? It cannot do tables,
struggles with encoding, web clips are not faithful, no numbered lists,
etc. Even updating to GTK3 will not resolve most of these limitations (I
could be wrong about this claim). Don't misunderstand. I like NoteCase a
lot and find it very useful. I imagine it is extremely appealing to
those using multiple platforms, but I am just on Windows.

Jon

NoteCase will be upgraded to 3 because he planned it so. Just as in Rightnote, probably. Yes but he'll be upgrading because he can upgrade the code engine. That's the tragedy with Connected Text or older frameworks. CT or WF will have to be rewritten from scratch. They won't.

The other point is correct, but you have to balance everything together. RightNote is alive and will have major features. Probably more than NoteCase. But notecase is more stable, never crashed or lost my data, etc. etc.

On balance, for Windows or Mac, the best outliner is Notecase Pro IMHO. THEN what we do with the notes in that knowledge base depends. Article? Book or thesis? Output for dynamic site managers? Markdown for static or wiki site generators? Then I decide which of the many apps for each use up the toolchain.

Nothing is perfect. But on balance, to start outlining notes AND keeping an outline of notes in huge knowledge bases on different subjects, nothing comes close to Notecase pro for me in features, reliability, efficiency, speed, ease of use etc. on Windows, Mac or Linux. On Android and Chromebook it's Halna outliner pro.

Ahmed fawzy wrote:

What is the best outliner software for windows ?
Mac has a lot of good options but options for windows are less clear.
Thanks to all member for this wonderful community.

All the of the suggestions listed here are great.

I would like to add the following:

doogiePIM -- https://bitespire.com/details_doogiepim.php

Treegonizer (FileOne) -- https://www.treegonizer.com/fileone/

ThinkingRock -- https://trgtd.com.au/

I still mostly use Ecco Pro. A lot. I popped back on the forum to see if there was anything new. I'll maybe try notecase out.

WriteMapper
https://writemapper.com
a nice windows option