I just bought a boxed version of the 1990 version of "Lotus Agenda" Version 2.0 on 3,5" disks ready for DOS 2.1 and later on Ebay.
it promises "How to get organized in thirty minutes. Guaranteed", i think that is the time MSDOS needs to book :-)
Are you saying i bought something wrong?

I think i'm bringing CRIMPing to a new level now. But hey, at least this things had big shiny boxes filled with books
and manuals and a personal smell.

https://imgur.com/gallery/8F94Nvr

I remember that app. Lotus didn't have a lot of faith in it for some reason, and they mothballed it after they bought a PIM from Threadz then marketed that as Lotus Organizer.

Lothar Scholz wrote:

think that is the time MSDOS needs to boot :-)
Are you saying i bought something wrong?

I think i'm bringing CRIMPing to a new level now. But hey, at least this
things had big shiny boxes filled with books
and manuals and a personal smell.

https://imgur.com/gallery/

Actually, DOS booted in mere seconds. :-)

Maybe we should call that RetroCRIMP.

Stephen Zeoli wrote:

Maybe we should call that RetroCRIMP.

!!! I didn't have the good fortune to use More or Grandview or the other "archetypal" outliners sometimes mentioned here. But I did buy an expensive (by today's standards) copy of Lotus Agenda. It was fun to tinker with, although I couldn't really find a proper use for it. Unlike the PIM from Threadz, which I think was created just down the road from where I then lived and which I found very useful indeed. I remember Lotus buying the company - and then not doing a great deal with it (which has subsequently become a familiar pattern, with a few exceptions, such as Apple and Workflow).

Hugh wrote:

Unlike
the PIM from Threadz, which I think was created just down the road from
where I then lived and which I found very useful indeed. I remember
Lotus buying the company - and then not doing a great deal with it

Lotus Organizer. That was something i did use at the begin of this millenium.
And somehow i still think it looks good. After all this modern web designs going back to skeuomorphistic desktop software feels so different.
I think they gave up on it because they wanted everyone using Lotus Notes or every kind of PIMing.

The other surprise i got from Lotus was when i looked at Lotus Improv. Why did they burry this? It feels much better then Lotus 1-2-3 or Excel.

I know one guy that is still using Lotus Organizer; he trust it and does not think about migrating to another app; all of his life is there.

Lothar Scholz wrote:

Hugh wrote:

> Unlike
>the PIM from Threadz, which I think was created just down the road from
>where I then lived and which I found very useful indeed. I remember
>Lotus buying the company - and then not doing a great deal with it

Lotus Organizer. That was something i did use at the begin of this
millenium.
And somehow i still think it looks good. After all this modern web
designs going back to skeuomorphistic desktop software feels so
different.
I think they gave up on it because they wanted everyone using Lotus
Notes or every kind of PIMing.

I recall that Threadz/Lotus Organizer had neat little icons. "Skeuomorphistic" was indeed the word for them. I particularly remember the anchor that provided one end of in-appllication links - then a rare feature.

Lothar Scholz wrote:

Are you saying i bought something wrong?

I think i'm bringing CRIMPing to a new level now.

I really hope that all this will be put in a good museum some day. There's an incredible amount of creativity and ingenuity in some of those apps, and I'm not sure at all that newer is better.

BTW, can you share what you paid for it?

Yeah, i will pass it on one day. It will not get trashed and end in a landfill like E.T.

At the moment i have a hard time to decide if i want to open it or keep it sealed like a pharaos tomb.
It's always the same decision for collectors. In my mind i have the repeating vision of the Big Bang Theory episode with Sheldons "Spock in aBox".

I payed just 15 Euro for this and 3 Euro for another sealed Version 3 of EccoPro. But intercontinental shipping was expensive.

The initial idea for this purchase was to make a few computer tech nostalgia videos for youtube reviewing and comparing old software to new ones - just for fun and to cool down all the new hippsters who think that they just invented the wheel, while knowing even less then Jon Snow about history. Thats a niche were you still find almost nothing, expect operating systems and games.

My collection already contains Q&A from Symantech, Lotus SmartSuite, AskSam DOS and Windows, IBM Symphony (DOS version), InfoSelect 1.0, ChartXL from Corel and Hardvard Graphics, Quattro Pro for DOS, Lotus Improv, ObjectVision and a lot of old and sometimes crazy software development systems.

If you aren't into boxes and handbooks then you can browse "http://vetusware.com&quot But thats only a fraction of the fun of having a real physical experience with this dinosaurs.

Earlier today, I checked on AskSam and InfoSelect. I guess I was suffering a little from RetroCRIMP. Anyway, it seems that AskSam is totally defunct. I couldn't find a website for it any longer. I was surprised to find that InfoSelect is still available, and the developer, Micro Logic, is still ask $279 for a new license. I can't believe anyone would buy it for that amount, but who knows? Of course, both of those apps I looked into were Windows versions, far removed from the DOS days.

Steve Z.

Lothar Scholz wrote:

My collection already contains Q&A from Symantech, Lotus SmartSuite,
AskSam DOS and Windows, IBM Symphony (DOS version), InfoSelect 1.0,
ChartXL from Corel and Hardvard Graphics, Quattro Pro for DOS, Lotus
Improv, ObjectVision and a lot of old and sometimes crazy software
development systems.

One of my old favorite DOS PIMs was called Instant Recall. You created items that could be designated as an event, a contact, a task, or a note. You could sort them all sorts of ways. I found it very efficient for organizing my work. But it never made it to Windows. I still have the disk with the program on it somewhere, I think.

Steve Z.

Instant Recall. Never tried it but damit, all in 28KBytes of DOS Memory.

https://imgur.com/a/bxAXTyU

For InfoSelect, they got a new website and revived it, maybe even sold it to a new owner.
The price is indead insane. But maybe we will see an InfoSelect 12 one day.

Yes, that is the software. It was elegant, if that can be said of a DOS app.

Lothar Scholz wrote:

Instant Recall. Never tried it but damit, all in 28KBytes of DOS Memory.

https://imgur.com/a/bxAXTyU

For InfoSelect, they got a new website and revived it, maybe even sold
it to a new owner.
The price is indead insane. But maybe we will see an InfoSelect 12 one
day.

Fast-froward to today when apps with a 1/4 of the functionality need 1GB of RAM...

Stephen Zeoli wrote:

Yes, that is the software. It was elegant, if that can be said of a DOS
app.

Lothar Scholz wrote:
Instant Recall. Never tried it but damit, all in 28KBytes of DOS Memory.
>
>https://imgur.com/a/bxAXTyU
>
>For InfoSelect, they got a new website and revived it, maybe even sold
>it to a new owner.
>The price is indead insane. But maybe we will see an InfoSelect 12 one
>day.