Hi Alexander! No, I haven't really commented on collaboration, but of course it's a major factor in Pagico's new desirability. We've only just started using it in anger, so I won't pretend to be an expert, but here's a brief summary of our experience so far:

The big improvement is in synchronisation. Previously, even personal workspaces could be a bit slow to sync - but that's all changed. I'm finding synchronisation - especially with the new version of the mobile app, which used to be very iffy - is vastly improved. Inviting people to join workspaces is exceedingly easy, but what I also like is that you can specify exactly what you do and don't want to share.

Also excellent is the off-line support - so Pagico syncs thoroughly to your machine, meaning you can work off-line for hours or days, then automatically re-sync when you rejoin the workspace. There'a also a rather nice "Teamwork" mode, which allows you to focus on tasks you're involved in or have delegated to other people, but blocks out all the other tasks that might otherwise take up too much screen space.

My only criticism? As far as I can tell, it's not possible to isolate small groups of users in a workspace, i.e. create subgroups of users with separate authorisations. To do that, you'd have to create multiple workspaces, each of which will cost you. Having said that, you can share stuff with others through your own private workspace (if you trust them sufficiently). You can easily decide which projects should synchronise with which workspace (or indeed, which projects you don't want to synchronise at all). It's not expensive to create a small team workspace (for up to 16 participants), and they do offer volume discounts!

Pagico has been talking about support for subgroups, so it would appear to be on the roadmap.

I hope that's helpful. I'll get back to you if anything else occurs to me.

Cheers,
Bill

Brilliant, thanks!

Oh, and just to clarify on the subgroups thing (not desperately important for our small company, because in scheduling terms we tend to share everything, or else handle our own stuff via personal workspaces), here's a response to my explicit question about subgroups from Kyo, one of the developers (always very helpful). He basically confirms what I thought:

"Actually, workspaces cannot be nested so you can't really create subgroups. However, what you can do is to use multiple workspaces, one for maybe the administrative members, and one for everyone. This way you can selectively share items in the core group and others in the everyone group. Since each project/contact can be shared in more than one workspace, you have the flexibility to selectively share items with the designated teams. To clarify, everyone in the same workspace will have the same access to all the shared items. So you'll want to put people in the right workspace to achieve the selective share need that you described."

It's worth noting the fact that projects/contacts can be shared over multiple workspaces, something I forgot to mention earlier!

Cheers,
Bill

They are selling Pagico for $5.
https://bundlehunt.com/?ap_id=campaign&utm_source=BundleHunt+Marketing+Email&utm_campaign=972a568a48-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_11_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1e09167cfa-972a568a48-62274899&mc_cid=972a568a48&mc_eid=c5f473abaf

Being a huge fan of Gantt charts , I remember testing it extensively last year, and was dismayed by the shocking amount of bugs, some of them pretty obvious. To the developper's credit, they were very reactive when I reported them, and fixed quite a few of them in a matter of weeks/days. But there were some usability issues and the whole thing felt awkward in many places, so I gave up on it and I stayed with the combination of tools I was using. Thanks for reminding me about it. I'll give it another shot soon.

Cool. It was $4 just now (net of the $5 fee for BundleHunt). Thanks for the tip.

Dellu wrote:

They are selling Pagico for $5.
https://bundlehunt.com/?ap_id=campaign&utm_source=BundleHunt+Marketing+Email&utm_campaign=972a568a48-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_11_15&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_1e09167cfa-972a568a48-62274899&mc_cid=972a568a48&mc_eid=c5f473abaf

Yes, it did tend to stumble heavily in its earlier incarnations, but as a team, we're now enjoying the stability and (on the whole) excellent interaction.

The streamlined Dashboard view (= Timeline/simplified GANTT) is by far the most popular, because you can reschedule tasks so easily (by dragging and dropping), but the Collection views (especially the Smart Collection views) are also very, very useful, because they allow you to put together specific projects in a little bundle and then use the Timeline view to work on them together – useful not only for multiple projects for a single client, for example, but also for creating a very specific "Today" view (something that Pagico doesn't have as such, although users of the Timeline view won't miss it particularly, because you can fold away any projects that aren't due today).

This also means you can handle individual tasks without having to include them in projects (Pagico is project-oriented by default, although usefully, the Inbox is treated as a project, so if you want to just put all your tasks in the Inbox, you can do that). But if you want to use a GTD approach, then tags coupled with the Smart Collections (effectively smart filtered) views are your friends!

In short, tagging can be used for tasks inside and outside projects, and the Smart Collections view allows you to zero in on specific tags (or any other keyword you fancy - it doesn't have to be a tag).

None of this is revolutionary, but having all these features combined in a single app is certainly very useful!

Skywatcher wrote:

Being a huge fan of Gantt charts , I remember testing it extensively
last year, and was dismayed by the shocking amount of bugs, some of them
pretty obvious. To the developper's credit, they were very reactive when
I reported them, and fixed quite a few of them in a matter of
weeks/days. But there were some usability issues and the whole thing
felt awkward in many places, so I gave up on it and I stayed with the
combination of tools I was using. Thanks for reminding me about it. I'll
give it another shot soon.

Does anyone know if the software bought from Bundlehunt can also be activated on Windows? It seems like a matter of having the activation key to me, but who knows.

Lucine wrote:

Does anyone know if the software bought from Bundlehunt can also be
activated on Windows? It seems like a matter of having the activation
key to me, but who knows.

Depends on the company's licensing.
Some are generous: you can use the same license on different machines. Some are not: you need to either buy separately; or request for the transfer of your license.

For Scapple, I remember sometime ago, I had to send them an email to transfer my license from Windows machine to Mac.

Lucine wrote:

Does anyone know if the software bought from Bundlehunt can also be
activated on Windows? It seems like a matter of having the activation
key to me, but who knows.

Yes, you can. But: The Bundlehunt license is valid for only one machine.

From the email Pagico sent me after purchasing the bundle:
"This code is unique to your license, so please keep it safe. This code is valid for Pagico 8.x on any of the supported operating systems, including macOS, Windows and Ubuntu"

And thanks to Dellu for pointing to the Bundlehunt deal.

One Pagico license for one machine is $4 plus $5 for the bundle deal.

Worth noting that buying an extra Pagico licence for another machine only costs $5 - a bargain compared to some licensing terms...

Yes, but from what I read, this offer is only for the Mac version. Is this correct?

Jon

Jon Polish wrote:

Yes, but from what I read, this offer is only for the Mac version. Is
this correct?

No, I bought a bundle, installed Pagico on my Windows 10 machine and entered the license key. Works.

The license file says you can install Pagico on any of the OSses supported (Windows, macOS, Linux).

Thank you.

Jon

Anyone still using Pagico that can give a low-down on how useful a PIM it is for productivity?

It's pretty good. Particularly good for teams, I would say, because of the many different ways you can view projects, including the great GANTT view, plus the fact you can include extensive notes, files etc., but perhaps a little over-finicky for individuals. But for business use, especially involving projects, I would certainly recommend it over its rivals.

For my own personal stuff, I've now migrated to NotePlan (on macOS/iOS). While not perfect, it's astonishingly good. Better management of the Notes (as opposed to the Calendar) part would be good, but I'm sure it's on their roadmap.

As it is, I tend to archive the Notes - which is where I put projects - in another app (Notebooks, which can also be used as a task/project manager, if you like; I haven't used it as that for a while, but the latest version 2.0 appears to have improved the whole task management side).