I have all of these EXCEPT the OPML. Weird.

Stephen Zeoli wrote:

I have all of these EXCEPT the OPML. Weird.

Hi Steve,

I think I've solved the mystery. One needs to install an OPML template. I must have installed mine when I bought CarbonFin outliner for iPad/iPod. You can download one from here. See "How do I export an outline from Bonsai?"

http://carbonfin.com/faq.html

After a short hiatus, I have added the next review, this time of Noteliner. You can find it here:

http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/onenote-smack-down-iv-noteliner/

Steve Z.

Great review Steve; I must say that even though I've used Noteliner for specific tasks, some of its concepts have become clearer to me after reading the review.

> Some good stuff by our own Steve Zeoli:

> http://welcometosherwood.wordpress.com/2012/07/19/announcing-the-onenote-smack-down/

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To Steve,

I enjoy and appreciate your reviews...thank you for taking the time and effort you so clearly put into them.

As a point of order, though, I'd like to point out that I find OneNote the most fluid and intuitive Outliner I've ever used .... because I use the depcrecated Outlining shortcut keys. Having learned these in MS Word long ago, they work in other MS Programs like PowerPoint...and OneNote. I've had ol' timers gasp when they see how quickly I can revise a PowerPoint outline using the outliniing shortcut keys.

For OneNote, the most important outlining shortcuts are Alt-LeftArrow, Alt-RightArrow, Alt-UpArrow, and Alt-DownArrow.

The Alt-RightArrow and Alt-LeftArrow shortcuts indent/outdent lines (or groups of lines if you've selected more than one) no matter where the cursor is that line or selection. It's fast and fluid...try it!

Similarly, Alt-UpArrow and Alt-DownArrow will move a line - or group of lines if you've selected them - up or down in an outline. This is very useful and between the these 4 shortcut keys I can outline in OneNote faster and easier than virtually any other program I've ever used.

Give it a try. If you commit those 4 keys to muscle memory, you can fly through your outlining tasks using almost any MS program.

Greetings from a long-time reader of this forum, posting for the first time.

dg wrote:

> For OneNote, the most important outlining shortcuts are Alt-LeftArrow, Alt-RightArrow, Alt-UpArrow, and Alt-DownArrow.

Thanks, dg, the shortcuts are very useful. I found that using OneNote 2010 I had to add the Shift key to the shortcuts listed above.

Jerry

> Thanks, dg, the shortcuts are very useful. I found that using OneNote 2010 I had to add the Shift key to the shortcuts listed above.

You're absolutely right! My bad...the recommended MS outlining keys should have been listed as

Shift-Alt-RightArrow
Shift-Alt-LeftArrow
Shift-Alt-UpArrow
Shift-Alt-DownArrow

thanks for pointing out my oversight.

Another couple useful outlining keyboard shortcuts are to collapse or expand sections. Again, these work no matter where the cursor is on the line.

"Shift Alt +" for expand
"Shift Alt -" for collapse

I am very gratified that my reviews have generated this kind of discussion. I'm certaininly learning a lot myself (both doing the reviews and reading the comments here and on my site).

As for OneNote's short cuts, those are helpful to know. I will say that having to add the shift key to the process reduces the usefulness in my opinion, because it requires me to remove my fingers from the home row of the keyboard. Still, it is better to have these short cuts than not.

Thanks!!!

Steve Z.

Steve, I am very much enjoying your reviews.

I have one request. You said you were choosing to review Whiz Folders over MyInfo because the former seemed to be more writer friendly, whereas MI was more PIM focused.

It is true that MI has more of a PIM focus.

However, I don't think that makes it any less writer friendly. In fact, I find it is better for writing because of its metadata capabilities (columns), which enable me to see at a glance which notes have been worked on, what stage of revision I may be at with regard to a specific article, etc.

As well, the comments feature is quite important as a writer in terms of seeing information about an item at a glance, without having to open a specific note.

Two areas where Whiz Folders beats MI is with having multiple open, editable windows, and being able to have it appear as a single-pane outliner. MI has multiple open windows as a feature, but editing can only be done in the main window; Petko has said that in the next major version of MI he will add editing capability for subsequent windows.

A concern I have with WF is that it does not have an auto-save feature, which MI does. MI also has a ruler, which is very handy on occasion.

So my request is that you please consider including MI as a program to be reviewed.

Thanks for considering my request, and thank you indeed for this splendid series of reviews.

Daly

Stephen Zeoli wrote:

I am very gratified that my reviews have generated this kind of discussion. I'm
certaininly learning a lot myself (both doing the reviews and reading the comments
here and on my site).

Hi Steve,

waiting for the next instalment with bated breath! (I just thought you needed a bit of encouragement :)

Dr Andus wrote:

Hi Steve,

waiting for the next instalment with bated breath! (I just thought you
needed a bit of encouragement :)

Yes, I've felt very delinquent in not getting that ConnectedText review up. Two reasons for that: 1st, I've been very busy and 2nd, ConnectedText is a lot more complicated to review in this regard as there are at least two ways to create outlines in CT, and probably more. I've wanted to really take my time and do it right -- unlike with Natara Bonsai, which I rushed through and sort of botched.

But never fear, I haven't forgotten. (But I do appreciate the encouragement -- I wasn't sure if anyone was missing it or not!)

Steve

(But I do appreciate the encouragement -- I wasn't sure if anyone was missing it or not!)

Nice. I am sure many us here have been waiting eagerly not daring to push you (or at least I have).
Though I understand the problems you are facing concerning ConnectedText.

Franz