Subject says it all. $36 US. http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php

Charles

CRC wrote:

Subject says it all. $36 US.
http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php

Charles

Thanks. Perhaps it's worth adding that this is at a 10% discount until 7th Nov. Also, there is an additional educational discount for those that qualify. I've been beta-testing it and I've been very pleased to have finally access to this software (not having a Mac).

"I?ve been very pleased to have finally access to this software (not having a Mac)."

As we all know, the Win version is more or less the Mac version of 3 or more years ago, this fact making "access to this software" just slightly unspecific. If you're willing to pay the Mac price or more for a version no Mac user would touch anymore, fine, but I wouldn't spend a dime on such a deal.

And then, the most beautiful software of its kind isn't Scrivener but Storyist (for Mac only, how could it be otherwise).

Fredy wrote:

As we all know, the Win version is more or less the Mac version of 3 or more years
ago, this fact making "access to this software" just slightly unspecific. If you're
willing to pay the Mac price or more for a version no Mac user would touch anymore, fine,
but I wouldn't spend a dime on such a deal.

This isn't entirely true. The Windows version includes some features of the current Mac version -- including collections, which is a potentially powerful feature. Scrivener for Windows immediately becomes one of the best options for writing and managing writing projects for PCs and at $36 is a bargain.

And then, the most beautiful software of
its kind isn't Scrivener but Storyist (for Mac only, how could it be otherwise).

Storyist is a nice application, but it is much more locked in to novel and fiction writing. The beauty of Scrivener is that you can easily adapt it to almost any type of writing, including business writing. This is true of the Windows version as well as the Mac version.

Steve Z.

Fredy wrote:

"I?ve been very pleased to have finally access to this software (not having a
Mac)."

As we all know, the Win version is more or less the Mac version of 3 or more years
ago, this fact making "access to this software" just slightly unspecific. If you're
willing to pay the Mac price or more for a version no Mac user would touch anymore, fine,
but I wouldn't spend a dime on such a deal.

Fredy, as I said, I do not own a Mac, so how else could I have access to Scriveners than the new Windows version? As a Windows user I'm pretty happy even with a 3-year old version of Scrivener, as it's better than nothing. So this announcement was for Windows users.

Fredy

As we all know, the Win version is more or less the Mac version of 3 or more years
ago,

Scrivener 1.0 for Windows is not nearly the same as Scrivener 1.0 for Mac. Definitely not.

Franz (who bought a ScrivWin license yesterday in addition to his ScrivMac license)

Deal!

You can't have a better writing tool on Windows for $36. Licence ordered, test version installed.

Hello,

I have no in-depth knowledge of software for writing books, so I would really be thankful for some kind of comparison of Scrivener and Storybook. To me, these look very similar.

Thank you.

I haven't used Storybook, but have looked it over at its web site. It seems a pretty formidable application for writing fiction. But that's exactly how it differs from Scrivener, which has a lot more flexibility built in to allow you to use it for any type of writing. I don't write novels, so I wouldn't know this for sure, but perhaps an application like Storybook would be a better solution for a novelist. It seems especially strong at tracking characters. For any other type of writing, it seems to me, Scrivener would prove more useful.

Here are a few of the ways I see the two applications differing:

Scrivener has an outline view.

Scrivener has the "Scrivenings" view, which allows you to view any number of separate pieces of your project together in one screen. This is an especially important view, in my opinion. (And yes, this is available in the Windows version.)

With Scrivener, you can build whatever structure you want or need for storing your drafts and research materials for a project.

Scrivener allows you to add a lot of meta data to any entry. (The Mac version now allows you to create your own meta-data fields, a feature not yet available for Windows.)

Scrivener has a well-developed system for taking "snapshots" of your documents, so you can keep track of changes, and revert to a previous version if necessary. (I didn't see this feature on Storybook, but I could have missed it.)

But Storybook has lots of features for tracking characters, including an interesting diagramatic approach called Memoria.

Anyway, that's my quick take. I hope it answers your question.

Steve Z.

pereh wrote:

Hello,

I have no in-depth knowledge of software for writing books, so I would really
be thankful for some kind of comparison of Scrivener and Storybook. To me, these look
very similar.

Thank you.

Greetings. Someone on this forum wrote that the Windows version of this software is three years behind the Mac version. Is this an accurate assertion? I was on the verge of pre-ordering a Windows version, but a three-year lag in development is making me have second thoughts.

basilides wrote:

Greetings. Someone on this forum wrote that the Windows version of this software is
three years behind the Mac version. Is this an accurate assertion? I was on the verge of
pre-ordering a Windows version, but a three-year lag in development is making me have
second thoughts.

Straight from the horse's mouth:

"Q: Will the Windows version be exactly the same as the Mac version?

A: Not entirely, at least not for a while. The Mac version has been in development for six years and recently reached version 2.0. The Windows version has been in development for only two years and this will be version 1.0. The Windows version will have all of the features that appeared in Scrivener 1.x - that is, all of the features that existing users of Scrivener for the Mac know and love. Scrivener for Windows also has a lot of the interface refinements that Scrivener 2.0 for the Mac introduced. However, the Windows version will not have some of the main new features from Scrivener 2.0, such as collections, page layout and suchlike, for a little while. This is why the Windows version will be slightly cheaper than the Mac version for the time being. Lee, the Windows developer, will be working to catch up with the Mac version over the next year or so. But we thought Windows users would rather have access to everything Scrivener 1.0 provided soon rather than waiting another year or so for Scrivener 2.0's new features. In fact, the two versions may never be identical, because as Scrivener evolves we don't want to restrict either version just because of limitations on the other platform - instead, we hope that both Scrivener for the Mac and Scrivener for Windows will develop to take full advantage of whichever platform they are running on."

http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivenerforwindows/

pereh wrote:

Hello,

I have no in-depth knowledge of software for writing books, so I would really
be thankful for some kind of comparison of Scrivener and Storybook. To me, these look
very similar.

Scrivener and Storybook aren't exactly in the same category, as Scrivener is a fully fledged writing software where you can complete your writing from beginning to end, while Storybook is for planning the overall structure and story lines of a novel or a play but it lacks any finer text editing features. As Steve said, Scrivener can be used for any kind of writing (I use it for academic writing) but Storybook is specifically designed for planning out novels and plays.

Having said that the two do complement each other to some extent and I have described in this thread how I combined both as part of an outlining approach:

http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/3283

Hi, I wanted to chime in as I am a main proponent of Storybook here. Dr. Andus said it perfectly about the quick comparison between the two. One small detail is that other people are using it for other projects than novels/plays even though it was designed for such.

I have found that Storybook fits a big void in all the writing software available since it focuses on helping you set up plot, structure, characters (if fiction), timelines, etc. What it does, it does extremely well and the $27 license fee is really quite reasonable (or $0 if you take it without charting). It absolutely needs a writing environment to complement it. Scrivener looks quite good for this task, as does Liquid Story Binder (more flexible, but more complicated and higher learning curve).

I am using Storybook plus word documents embedded into Ultra Recall for the writing environment. Using word styles, navigation pane and having a new node for each chapter, it is quite flexible. Also I have all my research, be it websites, PDFs and notes within the tree as well as a basic outline I link to. For someone who wants to have all research and writing together, Scrivener looks to also fit quite nicely.

Short version: I agree that these would complement each other very nicely, and for a total of $63 rather affordable for a very powerful set of applications.

Best, /Pavi


Dr Andus wrote:

pereh wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I have no in-depth knowledge of software for writing
books, so I would really
>be thankful for some kind of comparison of Scrivener and
Storybook. To me, these look
>very similar.

Scrivener and Storybook aren't
exactly in the same category, as Scrivener is a fully fledged writing software where
you can complete your writing from beginning to end, while Storybook is for planning
the overall structure and story lines of a novel or a play but it lacks any finer text
editing features. As Steve said, Scrivener can be used for any kind of writing (I use it
for academic writing) but Storybook is specifically designed for planning out
novels and plays.

Having said that the two do complement each other to some extent
and I have described in this thread how I combined both as part of an outlining
approach:

http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/3283

Hi again,

Sorry I forgot to mention that I use a system in Ultra Recall where I flag each chapter based on if it is a draft, needs revisions, etc. using the built in flags (ie. red needs a lot of work, yellow need some work, green is done). Then I setup saved searches for each flag so that I can get a list of all chapters that need revision.

Lastly, using a VBA macro in word, it is easy to merge all the documents. You just have all word documents embedded within an UR node, like "Manuscript", and export that to a given folder (that export can be saved). Open word and run the macro, and the whole job is done. So it is a two step process, but very fast and keeps the navigation pane for the merged document. The only two considerations are that 1) it seems to take documents in alphabetical order, so I use "A_title" and "Chapter 1", "Chapter 2" to keep the ordering, and 2) you need to delete the files if you do it again so that there are not duplicates. I plan to do this only very infrequently, but it is good to have.

This method also has the added awesomeness that you can use a citation manager (I use Mendeley) in each individual document, and then at the end have a "References document" that will update after you export. Hence, you can use this to manage chapters of a thesis, for example, which you have a lot of PubMed citations for in Mendeley. I believe that Scrivener lacks Mendeley or Zotero integration.

Here is a link with the VBA instructions: http://www.addictivetips.com/microsoft-office/merge-multiple-word-2010-documents/
Please pay attention to the comments that mention that you need to change the quotes to "" instead of ?? and add \ after the path.

Best, /Pavi

Pavi wrote:

Lastly, using a VBA macro in word, it is easy to merge all the documents.

Thanks this seems really very useful. For reference, I post here the (updated) link to Chapter by Chapter http://sites.google.com/site/sebberthet/chapter-by-chapter a freeware tool which I've used successfully in the past for merging Word documents. I do not know its citations performance, but it is easy and convenient to use.

Hi, Chapter by Chapter looks like a precursor to Writing Outliner. It also has a notes field, which is another reason I like using UltraRecall as my writing environment: I can add information to the Notes window, as well as links to research, etc. As long as you check "View-Nagivation pane" and make sure to use headings from a style "Home-ribbon" (Word 2010 anyway), you will get indexing of headings.

The main reason that UR merged docs or Writing Outliner work with Mendeley/Zotero is that you can refresh the bibliography after export. Thus, it will go through the document and update/renumber references as needed.

Best, /Pavi

Alexander Deliyannis wrote:

Pavi wrote:
> Lastly, using a VBA macro in word, it is easy to merge all the
documents.

Thanks this seems really very useful. For reference, I post here the
(updated) link to Chapter by Chapter
http://sites.google.com/site/sebberthet/chapter-by-chapter a freeware tool
which I've used successfully in the past for merging Word documents. I do not know its
citations performance, but it is easy and convenient to use.

Those of you who bought Scrivener for Windows 1.0 may want to reinstall the latest 1.0.1 version. As far as I can tell the main difference is that in 1.0 the "Check for Updates" function didn't work, and so it wouldn't tell you there is in fact an update. V. 1.0.1 fixes that.