In a post-ADM world -- at least for me, and I'll believe anything from Arne when I see it because he seems to communicate as well as Eric when push comes to shove -- I am trying to figure out how split up my stuff between MyInfo and UltraRecall.

For straight forward text stuff, I think MyInfo is easier to us. Its user-defined keyword system is more elegant and easier to use than UR's.

So most of my personal planning stuff, and my journal will be in MI.

About a week ago I set up an outdoors file because I am hoping to get back into gardening and paddling in the coming summer. I set this file up in MI at first, but found the web capture capability not suitable.

So I set it up in UR instead -- and it is much better because of UR's ability to capture and store pages. I will have to get used to UR's user defined keyword ability.

General web page clippings that I don't need for a specific active database I'll continue to use Surfulater, which I believe to be the best dedicated web clipper out there.

So the criteria is -- where there's likely to be web page material, as well as text, I'll use UR.

For straight forward text, MI has the edge IMO.

Daly

Daly said, "General web page clippings that I don’t need for a specific active database I’ll continue to use Surfulater, which I believe to be the best dedicated web clipper out there.

"So the criteria is—where there’s likely to be web page material, as well as text, I’ll use UR.

"For straight forward text, MI has the edge IMO."

Re: Surfulator being best, you might want to look my limited test of it and MyBase/WebCollect.

Anyone know how IdeaMason compares with UR with respect to collecting Web pages.?

-c

IM has a good feature in collecting web pages and its citation, but I recently realized that the saved web pages are not indexed unless you copy the content of the page into the annotation tab. On the other hand, UR's saved pages are indexed; thus, making it easier to search later. I found UR's feature and capability to be such that I'm using it full-time as my main information manager.

As far as entering straight text into the program (as Daly mentioned), I'm not sure it's worth using two programs (e.g., MyInfo and UR) given the feature set of UR. I'm however using Web Research to back up my web pages just in case. What I find surprising is that how powerful and useful UR has turned out for me over the last few weeks. Initially, I dismissed UR given its initial interface, but was a bit premature on my part.

Hope this helps.

Cassius wrote:

Daly said, "General web page clippings that I don’t need for a specific active
database I’ll continue to use Surfulater, which I believe to be the best dedicated web
clipper out there.

"So the criteria is—where there’s likely to be web page
material, as well as text, I’ll use UR.

"For straight forward text, MI has the edge
IMO."

Re: Surfulator being best, you might want to look my limited test of it and
MyBase/WebCollect.

Anyone know how IdeaMason compares with UR with respect to
collecting Web pages.?

-c

Daly de Gagne wrote:

In a post-ADM world -- at least for me, and I'll believe anything from Arne when I see it
because he seems to communicate as well as Eric when push comes to shove -- I am trying to
figure out how split up my stuff between MyInfo and UltraRecall.

Why exactly would you _want_ to use both of them, since it seems a close call?

Stephen, good question.

I prefer MI for straight text because it has a simpler interface. But the main thing is that its approach to user-defined key words is more elegant than UR's.

If MI actually saved and indexed the web pages clipped from your browser, rather than simply linking to them, and if it overcame the problem of not automatically
going to the web tab when a web page is selected from the tree, much of the rationale for using UR would be lost.

I believe that MI is just that close to competing with UR. UR does have a superior metadata capability, but if one doesn't need all of that capability, then I'd think with the changes mentioned above, and MI's cleaner interface, MI would give UR a good run for its money.

Daly

Stephen R. Diamond wrote:

Daly de Gagne wrote:
>In a post-ADM world -- at least for me, and I'll believe
anything from Arne when I see it
>because he seems to communicate as well as Eric when
push comes to shove -- I am trying to
>figure out how split up my stuff between MyInfo
and UltraRecall.
>
Why exactly would you _want_ to use both of them, since it seems a
close call?

Daly de Gagne wrote:

I prefer MI for straight text because it has a simpler
interface. But the main thing is that its approach to user-defined key words is more
elegant than UR's.

If MI actually saved and indexed the web pages clipped from your
browser, rather than simply linking to them, and if it overcame the problem of not
automatically
going to the web tab when a web page is selected from the tree, much of
the rationale for using UR would be lost.

I believe that MI is just that close to
competing with UR. UR does have a superior metadata capability, but if one doesn't
need all of that capability, then I'd think with the changes mentioned above, and MI's
cleaner interface, MI would give UR a good run for its money.

I am eagerly awaiting MI 4.0... fingers crossed and all. The road map on the Milenix forum hints that it may have substantial improvements to its treatment of web pages; perhaps that will resolve your concerns, Daly.

My main wish for improvement relates to the "sluggishness" which several users have recently complained about on the Milenix forum. I believe it has to do with the indexing process... for example, last night I was using the auto-paste function to input medium-sized blocks of ASCII text into a MyInfo topic. The text blocks were typically in the 3 or 4 page size range, simple ASCII text, but each transfer took 30 seconds or more, during which time MyInfo essentially locked up.

Similarly, cutting and pasting several documents from one topic to another can be an excruciatingly slow process- sometimes a matter of several minutes, all the while the legend, "Deleting and indexing documents" showing in the status bar.

If version 4 eliminates this problem, I will be an especially happy camper, since I am thoroughly pleased with MyInfo in all other respects.

Bob