ADM -- Just What Is Going On?

Started by Daly de Gagne on 3/4/2007
Daly de Gagne 3/4/2007 1:17 pm
The following post in reply to one I had originally written on the GTD Group, is even more suggestive that all is not well in the ADM camp:
After Daly’s mail I was expecting some reply from Eric Sommer, who is the ADM CEO and who usually reacted promptly to such messages, but no reply came.

After Daly’s mail I was expecting some reply from Eric Sommer, who is the ADM CEO and who usually reacted promptly to such messages, but no reply came.

Then I went through the last announcements of the ADM’s beta versions and I realized that instead of the Eric’s usual quotations,

"True development puts first those that society puts last."
-Mahatma Gandhi

"Dare to be naive."
- Buckminster Fuller

"Work for the world."
- Karl Marx

"A loving heart: In all the world this state of mind is best."
- ADM CEO

the closing sentence was:
"This email communication was sent on behalf of:
Eric Sommer
Suite 21 @1091 Broughton St.
Vancouver, B.C. V6G 2A9

"You are receiving this email communication because you or someone using your address either submitted an online form or autoresponder to either us or one of our associates.
If you feel that your receipt of this mailing has been in error...
please go to the following url:
http://rm.inetcomm.us/r.asp?i=8386022-0-563-0-gia-6&quot

To better understand what is going on I went to that link and immediately I got the following message:
"Your remove request has been processed."

Indeed, I reckon this time Eric Sommer avoids to be naïve.

From my part, a part from crying for the 100 dollars I paid for the beta, I can only reiterate and stress Daly’s message, at least to warn everybody of the danger.

Gianni
*************************
Gianni's post causes me concern.

First, there is either a problem with ADM's email system, or Eric may be back in Vancouver, which begs a question about what is happening in the Chinese operation, or both, because the request to remove makes no sense.

Meanwhile, the future of what is one of the most creative, potentially most useful pieces of software remains unknown, and unaccounted for. Unaccounted in both the sense of "who knows?", but also in the sense that the covenant of accountability that businesses have to keep in touch with their markets has been neglected -- yet again.

As Peter, Paul, and Mary sang in Where Have All the Flowers Gone?, "when will they ever learn?"

If anyone has any more recent news on the progress ADM is making in being recoded, and made market ready, whether in English or Chinese, please post with that information.

Daly




Jan Rifkinson 3/4/2007 11:24 pm
Daly, I cannot offer any substantive information but I can say that I posted Arne (Eric Sommer's partner & financier @ one time) but didn't receive an answer. I have a feeling that the ADM.net site lives on one of Arne's servers in Vancouver & he doesn't want to be connected to ADM for whatever reason. Perhaps he has severed ties with Eric or visa versa. This is speculation on my part. If someone had a phone # they could call to see what they could find out. Whatever the situation, it is certainly shameful, if not more than that. If I lived in the old West (of the U.S.) I'd feel like I had met a snake oil salesman.

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
Daly de Gagne 3/5/2007 2:48 am
Jan, I don't know why Arne didn't reply to you, but I wish he had. God knows you did more than your fair share checking for, trying to replicate, and reporting bugs.

After seeing Gianni's post today I wrote to Arne, and implored him to find out from Eric how many other people had paid for beta ADM4.

In my original correspondence with Arne earlier this year, he said he was of the belief no one had paid for betas; giving him the benefit of the doubt, I suspect he is not aware of the day-to-day life of ADM. Even if the ADM.net site lives on one of Arne's servers, Eric may well be the one who most regularly accesses the data.

I also had the sense that Arne was still very much part of ADM, and concerned about its well being.

While I do not like the delays, and I like the lack of communication even less, I think that the background on the development and programming of ADM, including the need for a more robust data base and recoding (the two factors said to be responsible for the current delay) make for a good business story. Back in the 80s I received $1,000 per deims for helping companies to tell such stories, and to win friends along the way.

Although Stephen Diamond (where the heck are you?, and hope you're well) would likely be the first to say I'm naive (grin), I'm not prepared to make the snake oil judgment yet. Unfortunately, I have seen too many companies with intelligent, good leadership act in completely incomprehensible and stupid ways when it comes to managing problems and communicating with their publics. The wonderful luxury of crisis communication/management is that one can get paid a premium, and have it understood that its your way or the highway.

Incidentally, my corporate communication stuff never resorted to spins that deflected the truth, or softened it to comfort executives. If they wanted to pay me it had to be honest and straight up and, as a result, most of my clients always came out on top. My goal was that they should have a sense of being better off at the end of the day than if they had never had the problems in the first place.

Daly



Jan Rifkinson wrote:
Daly, I cannot offer any substantive information but I can say that I posted Arne (Eric
Sommer's partner & financier @ one time) but didn't receive an answer. I have a feeling
that the ADM.net site lives on one of Arne's servers in Vancouver & he doesn't want to be
connected to ADM for whatever reason. Perhaps he has severed ties with Eric or visa
versa. This is speculation on my part. If someone had a phone # they could call to see
what they could find out. Whatever the situation, it is certainly shameful, if not
more than that. If I lived in the old West (of the U.S.) I'd feel like I had met a snake oil
salesman.

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
Daly de Gagne 3/5/2007 5:48 am
FWIW, I checked when I downloaded the last available version of ADM beta 4 -- it was in September of last year, almost six months ago.

Nothing since then. If I had realized fully how long it had been I might not have been as generous in my previous post.

How long does it take to recode an existing program, and give it a new data engine, especially if there are large numbers of relatively low paid Chinese programmers to do the work?

Of course, if the Chinese have been treated as well as the American and Canadian supporters of ADM, that could explain a few things.

Interestingly, there is relatively little information through the search engines about the availability of ADM's Chinese version.

Daly


Dominik Holenstein 3/5/2007 7:58 am
Daly,
Jan,

As a fromer supporter of ADM I have to state this:
- I supported the integration of Skype. Still a great idea but too early
- I did not put enough pressure on removing the bugs and implementing some basic features
- I did not express my concerns enough regarding the fact that only one developer is writing code
- I did not listen to Stephen and his rather hard but in the end true posts here
- I still like ADM very much but I don't use it anymore
- I am disappointed about the communication breakdown between ADM and its users

My key learnings:
- I support and use well supported software only. Criterias: E-Mails are answered, a support forum or group is available and moderated, there is at least one stable release per year, the website is updated regularly, minor releases including bug fixes are distributed for free during the year, users are warmly invited to provide feedback, if there are delays these delays are communicated openly, or: the developers don't publish a final or clear release date until they are 100% sure they can match the date (like Kinnook or IdeaMason did), beta testing is available but on a limited time only
- I don't over-support software anymore. Even with tools like Ultra Recall or IdeaMason I am very careful in expressing my support too much because you never know how long they are in business. Even Bill Gates from Microsoft said once: 'Microsoft is always two years away from getting bancrupt.' What that means: You are much faster out of the business than you think.

I have written an e-mail to Eric including some questions regarding the further develoment of ADM.
Keep finger's crossed!

Dominik


Jan Rifkinson 3/5/2007 1:10 pm


Dominik Holenstein wrote:
My key learnings:
- I support and use well
supported software only. Criterias: E-Mails are answered, a support forum or group
is available and moderated, there is at least one stable release per year, the website
is updated regularly, minor releases including bug fixes are distributed for free
during the year, users are warmly invited to provide feedback, if there are delays
these delays are communicated openly, or: the developers don't publish a final or
clear release date until they are 100% sure they can match the date (like Kinnook or
IdeaMason did), beta testing is available but on a limited time only

Excellent lessons for me too, Dominik. I was taken in by the adventure & didn't consider the dangers.

As a rule I support independent developers because I admire their goals & believe they deserve a chance against the big guys. And because they have to fight off the big guys I think that they find innovative ways to handle problems. It's the same reason I like independent films: old subjects told in new ways.

Yes, there is a place for the big guys & I do use Photoshop but in all cases I think there is no reason for anyone to get personal or rude as some individual(s) were in discussing ADM issues even when they may have a good point to make.

I'll be interested to see if you get a response from the ADM folk. Unlike you I still use ADM but I'm trying to wean myself off of the program but paying special attention to how other programs import & export data & meta data. I have lost thousands of hours with my ADM adventure & I'm upset by that but I have no choice but to move forward.

Regards to you, Dominik, from a snowy CT

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA


Daly de Gagne 3/5/2007 1:32 pm
Dominik, I appreciate your post, and your review of your involvement with ADM.

In retrospect each of us may have done things differently. I think that people such as yourself did more than could be reasonably expected of one who providing volunteer service.

Re only one person coding: I never knew that until after the fact. When I used to complain that changes in a new beta version suggested very little checking before it was made available for download, Eric would lecture me on that's the way software is developed. Meanwhile I always felt it was just plain carelessness. But when I realized there was only one coder, I understood why the problem. There just wasn't time to check a new beta version except perhaps in the most cursory manner -- so us "trusted" testers did more of the grunt work than I have ever seen expected on any other developer's beta.

Yet, last night when I fired up ADM for the first time in weeks I felt nostalgia, a warm response to the program (if not its developer), and a wish that I could use it with confidence.

I hope to God someone from ADM, or with connections to the people in ADM, is reading these posts, and makes sure they get read by Arne and Eric.

Thanks again Dominik.

Daly

Dominik Holenstein wrote:
Daly,
Jan,

As a fromer supporter of ADM I have to state this:
- I supported the
integration of Skype. Still a great idea but too early
- I did not put enough pressure
on removing the bugs and implementing some basic features
- I did not express my
concerns enough regarding the fact that only one developer is writing code
- I did not
listen to Stephen and his rather hard but in the end true posts here
- I still like ADM
very much but I don't use it anymore
- I am disappointed about the communication
breakdown between ADM and its users

My key learnings:
- I support and use well
supported software only. Criterias: E-Mails are answered, a support forum or group
is available and moderated, there is at least one stable release per year, the website
is updated regularly, minor releases including bug fixes are distributed for free
during the year, users are warmly invited to provide feedback, if there are delays
these delays are communicated openly, or: the developers don't publish a final or
clear release date until they are 100% sure they can match the date (like Kinnook or
IdeaMason did), beta testing is available but on a limited time only
- I don't
over-support software anymore. Even with tools like Ultra Recall or IdeaMason I am
very careful in expressing my support too much because you never know how long they are
in business. Even Bill Gates from Microsoft said once: 'Microsoft is always two years
away from getting bancrupt.' What that means: You are much faster out of the business
than you think.

I have written an e-mail to Eric including some questions regarding
the further develoment of ADM.
Keep finger's crossed!

Dominik


Daly de Gagne 3/5/2007 1:41 pm
Very interesting that this morning I got the following post at my Yahoo GTD Group:

******
FWIW I'll give you my recent experience (this past week).

I purchased ADM over a week ago - they sent me a receipt for my $129
within seconds.

After waiting three days, I finally emailed them requesting my serial
number so I could unlock the trial edition.

A day later they sent one, but when I tried to use it, the program
said the number was invalid.

Another couple of emails and week later with no response, I canceled
my order and stopped payment on my credit card.

For comparison, check out IdeaMason - a great product and a company
with much better vibes: http://www.ideamason.com/

***************

Things may be worse than we thought, although ADM's web presence and automation were always pretty amateurish.

Back last night, before seeing this post, I tried the usual download procedure and got no response. I suspect strongly the last English version of ADM was in September 2006.

I can find no reference to the Chinese ADM version on search sites, but did find an interesting blog article about Eric having used an alias when in Korea some time ago, and then introducing himself to someone using his real name.

If anyone has a friend who is able to work the Chinese search sites, it would be interesting to see if he or she could find something about ADM's progress with a Chinese version. My gut feeling is that it may not be a version for public release so much as one connected with some other project or contract work Eric is involved with in China. But that's a hunch based on a rudimentary analysis of blog and other web material going back a few years.

Interestingly, the search sites do not show up much of the present discussion of ADM on various groups.

Anyhow, I think it would be very helpful to hear from either Arne or Eric as to the real state of ADM.

Daly
dan7000 3/5/2007 3:59 pm
As a supporter and continuous user of ADM I thought I'd chime in.
I'm definitely not defending ADM's behavior, but I don't feel as sour about it as some seem to.

This is just my perspective, but first, I did pay for the beta, and I feel like I got a pretty good value for my money, even if I never get another version. I have entered tens of thousands of topics into around a hundred huge outlines in the past 3 years that I've used ADM. I still use it actively for approximately 8 hours a day, 6 days a week. I don't remember the last time it crashed or hanged. Compare this to MS Word. I paid more for MS Word than I did for ADM, and I use Word far less. Word crashes or hangs very regularly, and it's slow as a dog.

Second, we have to realize that almost ALL of the software we talk about here is developed primarily by one person -- and most of them do it part time. WhizFolders? Jot Notes? InfoHandler? I've managed Windows software businesses at big and small companies, and it's easy to tell from the scope and pace of these development efforts what's going on. Face it: it costs $180,000 / year to employ a programmer (including equipment, health care, etc). In addition to the programmer, you hopefully have a QA person, a marketing person and tech support (possibly these are the same person).
I'd be surprised if any of these companies has sold more than 20,000 copies in the past 4 years of their work. Most of them cost around $50 or less. That's $1 mil over 4 years: $250,000 /yr. It's very doubtful that any VC's have given money for these efforts, so this is their entire budget if they are a huge succes. (I leave out web clipping programs, who may have been able to get funding).

All that is to just say: nobody should be surprised to learn that ADM had only one programmer. Also, nobody should be surprised if, after years of doing this as a side job without getting close to the obvious goal of getting rich or going public or whatever, the 2-man company gets disgusted and gives up or drops out for a while. This is inherent with these small-time software efforts.

I said that I wasn't hoping to defend Eric or Arne, but I will say that I object to them being compared to snake oils salesmen. I know people like this and I've worked with them. They have a dream, and their dream has sucked years of hard work out of them and it's not working out.
We, the users, have reaped the benefits of that hard work. Sure, we paid for it, but I think we got the good end of the deal.

-dan


Graham Rhind 3/5/2007 4:28 pm
Hi Dan,

If you're happy with the program and use it, that's great; and if you're happy with what it does for you, that's great too. (I stopped using ADM when it started losing my data). I'm also not going to bad mouth Eric or Arne personally. What I will say, though, is that I'm one of those one-man software houses, so I know what it's like. I don't object when people stop developing for whatever reasons. What I do object to is the fact that they may no effort to communcate this to their existing or new users.

There is nothing on the website to suggest that the program is no longer being sold (if you sell it, you have to support it, at least to the extent of sending out a working unlock code!). There have been no e-mails to users letting us know of the hiatus. For me, that's just not acceptable. Being British, I don't have an affinity for sellers of snake oil, but we have other words for such people ......

I promise an update to my software every quarter, and that's been the case every quarter for the past 6 years. If there comes a time when I stop doing that, I will put that information on my website and tell the users. It's the least one can do.

Graham

dan7000 wrote:
As a supporter and continuous user of ADM I thought I'd chime in.
I'm definitely not
defending ADM's behavior, but I don't feel as sour about it as some seem to.

This is
just my perspective, but first, I did pay for the beta, and I feel like I got a pretty good
value for my money, even if I never get another version. I have entered tens of
thousands of topics into around a hundred huge outlines in the past 3 years that I've
used ADM. I still use it actively for approximately 8 hours a day, 6 days a week. I don't
remember the last time it crashed or hanged. Compare this to MS Word. I paid more for MS
Word than I did for ADM, and I use Word far less. Word crashes or hangs very regularly,
and it's slow as a dog.

Second, we have to realize that almost ALL of the software we
talk about here is developed primarily by one person -- and most of them do it part time.
WhizFolders? Jot Notes? InfoHandler? I've managed Windows software businesses at
big and small companies, and it's easy to tell from the scope and pace of these
development efforts what's going on. Face it: it costs $180,000 / year to employ a
programmer (including equipment, health care, etc). In addition to the programmer,
you hopefully have a QA person, a marketing person and tech support (possibly these
are the same person).
I'd be surprised if any of these companies has sold more than
20,000 copies in the past 4 years of their work. Most of them cost around $50 or less.
That's $1 mil over 4 years: $250,000 /yr. It's very doubtful that any VC's have given
money for these efforts, so this is their entire budget if they are a huge succes. (I
leave out web clipping programs, who may have been able to get funding).

All that is
to just say: nobody should be surprised to learn that ADM had only one programmer.
Also, nobody should be surprised if, after years of doing this as a side job without
getting close to the obvious goal of getting rich or going public or whatever, the
2-man company gets disgusted and gives up or drops out for a while. This is inherent
with these small-time software efforts.

I said that I wasn't hoping to defend Eric
or Arne, but I will say that I object to them being compared to snake oils salesmen. I
know people like this and I've worked with them. They have a dream, and their dream has
sucked years of hard work out of them and it's not working out.
We, the users, have
reaped the benefits of that hard work. Sure, we paid for it, but I think we got the good
end of the deal.

-dan


dan7000 3/5/2007 4:53 pm
Hi Graham,

I totally agree: they need to communicate about this. And I should have mentioned in my earlier post: the whole business of kicking people off of the yahoo group and basically stopping all support is just rude and indefensible.

I should also note that I'm NOT totally happy with ADM right now. It's really unlikely that any software developed in 2006 will still be working well on Windows 2015. I really NEED the information that I've compiled over the last 3 years (all my notes from law school) -- and I will still need it, to some degree, in 2015.

So at this point I'm really struggling with finding a KM program which is worthy of my investment of time and information over the next few years, and which is most likely to still be supported in some form over the next 10 years. Unfortunately, I just don't see it in the current crop of KM tools. Notemap is distributed by a big company, but sometimes that makes it even more likely that it will be discontinued, when the decision is profit-driven instead of dream-driven.

-Dan
Stephen Zeoli 3/5/2007 9:40 pm
I don't think there is any defense for Eric Somer's actions.

First, charging for a beta is unethical in my opinion, even if you finally do come out with a stable version. The whole point of having a beta release is to get your loyal users to provide feedback and to create buzz about the new version. Some developers actually give free licenses to their beta testers... which is nice, but not necessary. Charging for a beta is just not right (even though Micro Logic also did this with InfoSelect, but I wouldn't hold them up as a model for commitment to their customers).

Second, releasing a beta is a promise that a stable version will be released, and when you fail to follow through on that promise, it is only natural for your customers to question your ethics.

Finally, if he's accepting payment for his product and then not delivering the code to unlock it (which, according to one report here is what is now happening), that's fraud.

At best Eric Somer is incompetent, and at worst he's a crook.

I've never bought ADM, so why am I even commenting? Because I think it is a black eye on all small software developers. It may make people think twice about investing in a license for UltraRecall, or Whizfolders, or Zoot... and that's why it pisses me off.

Steve Z.
Jan Rifkinson 3/5/2007 11:12 pm

Stephen Zeoli wrote:
I don't think there is any defense for Eric Somer's actions.

[snip] I think it is a black eye on all
small software developers. It may make people think twice about investing in a
license for UltraRecall, or Whizfolders, or Zoot... and that's why it pisses me off.

Steve Z,

Boy do I agree with this statement.

As I said in an earlier post, I do my best to support independent developers & Eric's behavior makes me question that decision. It also belies the fact that those of us who do go the extra mile to support independent programmers frequently invest a lot of our own time -- nothing is free in this world -- to help the developer in the only way we can. That's another slap in the face.

[rant] Some may take offense to my saying that I feel like I may have run into a snake oil salesman. I guess I could have said something else.

Everyone has their own sense of ethics but I think there's a baseline & IMO Eric Sommer fell below that baseline, if not for treating his customers the way he has, then for committing the greatest sin of all, IMO: shutting down valid conversation by people who cared about his product. Censorship, & anyone who practices it, is a non starter in my book.

And I'm tired of parsing what's right from what's sort of right or kind of right or right under certain circumstances or a teeny weeny bit right or right for some people but not for others. IMO, certain things are black & white. Honesty is one of them. [\rant]

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA
Stephen R. Diamond 3/6/2007 10:31 am
Jan Rifkinson wrote:


Everyone has their own sense of ethics but I
think there's a baseline & IMO Eric Sommer fell below that baseline, if not for
treating his customers the way he has, then for committing the greatest sin of all,
IMO: shutting down valid conversation by people who cared about his product.
Censorship, & anyone who practices it, is a non starter in my book.

Jan, I don't get it. Didn't you for a time control the membership roster of the "Fans" group, and didn't you enforce censorship in that group?


Jan Rifkinson 3/6/2007 1:00 pm


Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
Jan Rifkinson wrote:
>

>Everyone has their own sense of ethics but I
>think
there's a baseline & IMO Eric Sommer fell below that baseline, if not for
>treating
his customers the way he has, then for committing the greatest sin of all,
>IMO:
shutting down valid conversation by people who cared about his product.

>Censorship, & anyone who practices it, is a non starter in my book.

Jan, I don't get
it. Didn't you for a time control the membership roster of the "Fans" group, and didn't
you enforce censorship in that group?

No on both counts. You're thinking of the development list that was run by Eric.

--
Jan Rifkinson
Ridgefield, CT USA


Stephen R. Diamond 3/6/2007 9:21 pm
I think what you're pointing out is that the Fans group was unmoderated and nominally open to everyone. But you were the owner. And you enforced censorship by expulsion from the list,certainly it my case, when you also gloated about it.
Jan Rifkinson 3/6/2007 11:06 pm


Stephen R. Diamond wrote:
I think what you're pointing out is that the Fans group was unmoderated and nominally
open to everyone. But you were the owner. And you enforced censorship by expulsion
from the list,certainly it my case, when you also gloated about it.

I do not tolerate rudeness or personal attack on any list that I run. End of story.
Stephen R. Diamond 3/8/2007 8:45 am


Jan Rifkinson wrote:
nly it my case, when you also
gloated about it.

I do not tolerate rudeness or personal attack on any list that I
run. End of story.

I see. Yet it is quite acceptable for YOU to call Eric Sommer a "Snake Oil Salesman," which he is - but that's not as bad as being a fool and a hypocrite, after all. You either don't perceive the contradiction in your positions or you are so confident of your ability to survive in this environment, to be tolerated as if you were a reasonable and consistent person--that you are completely complacent that you will get away with it.

But "I will not tolerate" - and "End of Story" is much more the Jan I know, much more the REAL Jan--than what that cowardly hypocrite said here: "Censorship, & anyone who practices it, is a non starter in my book."
Slartibartfarst 12/11/2012 1:36 am
Sorry to revive this old thread.
I read a reference to "ADM" in a separate thread in this OSF (Re: Core distinguishing features of two-pane PIMs - a comment by Posted by Daly de Gagne, Dec 10, 2012 at 12:14 AM).
http://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/4626/5

I was very interested in Daly de Gagne's comment and have been searching the 'net on combinations and keywords including:
* ADM - Advanced Data Management
* Knowledge Management Software
* Eric Sommer CEO
* China

I have turned up quite a bit of information about ADM and Eric Sommer, mostly repetitive about ADM, and some personal stuff including a current résumé and a lonely hearts post, but that which I was after seems elusive - i.e. a download trial copy of ADM 3.0 (beta) - or later version, if there was one.
All the links to that source seem to be dead.

***Does anyone have a copy of it that I could have please? I'd like to do a "suck-it-and-see", just out of interest.***

Thanks in anticipation.

By the way:
* I also came across a post by Eric Sommer asking for information regarding the .Net treelistview functionality - which could be potentially a very powerful report-writing function for PIM developers/users.
http://www.telerik.com/community/forums/silverlight/treelist/request-for-treelistview-features.aspx

* There were other posts/references regarding ES' marketing of a concept for a Journalism tool that looked like it could probably be based on or use something like ADM, but the thread stopped dead and thus seems not to have got off the ground.

* I found ES referring to ADM having been based on a tool used for teaching (English, I think) for Chinese students (ES has apparently worked for 7+ years as an English Teacher - TSOL or similar - in China/Asia).
dan7000 1/20/2013 1:15 am
Once again reviving this thread. I needed to get some information I new was stored in an old ADM file and I found an old laptop that had a trial version of one of the last versions of ADM. Since it's a trial I am assuming it's ok to share. For SBF and anybody else who wants to try out ADM, I uploaded it here: http://kvisit.com/S6KzSAg

The trial expires after 30 days. Hopefully in that time I will export all of my old ADM files.
Lucas 1/20/2013 2:29 am
dan7000 wrote:
For SBF and anybody else who wants to try
out ADM, I uploaded it here: http://kvisit.com/S6KzSAg


Thanks, Dan. However, after creating a KeepandShare account in order to download the file, I got the following error message:

"You (account name 'keepshare2013') have just tried to access a document in another KeepandShare account 'd3252'. To view it you need to ask the owner of the other account to set the Sharing controls to give your KeepandShare user name 'keepshare2013' rights to view the document."

So, I guess you have to manually share it with each person? For me, the username to share it with would be keepshare2013. Or you could just upload to Dropbox or Google Drive and post a sharing link.

Thanks again --- useful for viewing some old files.
dan7000 1/21/2013 1:17 am
They have a setting allowing you to shAre the file publicly - so anyone can access. I thought I had checked that option but I think I must not have saved the settings. It should allow you access now - please let me know if it doesn't and I will try a different file sharing service. Maybe this will be a good opportunity to try Mega.
Lucas 1/21/2013 1:38 am
Thanks, that worked!
dan7000 12/3/2015 1:12 am
Wow - I was looking through old posts to try to find a link to a working copy of ADM, and I stumbled across my post below from 2007, accurately predicting the future of 2015!
Except that I got the name of the O/S wrong (it's not Windows2015), and I am pretty sure I was wrong about ADM not running on the 2015 version of Windows. I think it ran fine the last time I did this, on Windows 7, so I assume it will also work on Windows 10 if I can find a copy.

So, reminiscing aside: does anybody know where to find a copy of ADM -- even the 30-day trial version -- so I can open one of my old outlines?

dan7000 wrote:
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I should also note that I'm NOT totally happy with ADM right now. It's
really unlikely that any software developed in 2006 will still be
working well on Windows 2015. I really NEED the information that I've
compiled over the last 3 years (all my notes from law school) -- and I
will still need it, to some degree, in 2015.

So at this point I'm really struggling with finding a KM program which
is worthy of my investment of time and information over the next few
years, and which is most likely to still be supported in some form over
the next 10 years. Unfortunately, I just don't see it in the current
crop of KM tools. Notemap is distributed by a big company, but
sometimes that makes it even more likely that it will be discontinued,
when the decision is profit-driven instead of dream-driven.

-Dan
Lucas 12/3/2015 6:45 am
I don't have access to Windows at this moment, but I see that a version of admsetup.exe is still available for download here:

http://download.cnet.com/ADM-The-Knowledge-Management-Desktop/3000-2074_4-10074478.html

Might that work?