Joyous Day! I got GrandView running on my MacBook
Started by Stephen Zeoli
on 10/8/2009
Stephen Zeoli
10/8/2009 4:40 pm
Using DOSBox for Mac OS, I have GrandView running on my MacBook... and so far it seems to be running very smoothly. I'll report back here with updates on how it goes.
Steve Z.
Steve Z.
Cassius
10/8/2009 6:39 pm
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
Congratulations! I just downloaded DOSBox last night and hope to try it with GV soon. My dentist recommended it yesterday (my teeth are OK).
Here's one thing to check out: Can you cut and paste between GV running under DOSBox and Windows programs/files?
-c
Using DOSBox for Mac OS, I have GrandView running on my MacBook... and so far it seems to--------------------
be running very smoothly. I'll report back here with updates on how it goes.
Congratulations! I just downloaded DOSBox last night and hope to try it with GV soon. My dentist recommended it yesterday (my teeth are OK).
Here's one thing to check out: Can you cut and paste between GV running under DOSBox and Windows programs/files?
-c
Cassius
10/8/2009 6:39 pm
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
Congratulations! I just downloaded DOSBox last night and hope to try it with GV soon. My dentist recommended it yesterday (my teeth are OK).
Here's one thing to check out: Can you cut and paste between GV running under DOSBox and Windows programs/files?
-c
Using DOSBox for Mac OS, I have GrandView running on my MacBook... and so far it seems to--------------------
be running very smoothly. I'll report back here with updates on how it goes.
Congratulations! I just downloaded DOSBox last night and hope to try it with GV soon. My dentist recommended it yesterday (my teeth are OK).
Here's one thing to check out: Can you cut and paste between GV running under DOSBox and Windows programs/files?
-c
Stephen Zeoli
10/8/2009 8:03 pm
In my MacBook I can't cut and paste between DOSBox and my Mac applications, which is too bad. I'm not sure how it would work if I were running DOSBox from within my virtual machine of Windows XP via VMFusion.
Steve Z.
Steve Z.
Stephen Zeoli
10/8/2009 8:24 pm
Another issue running GrandView on the Mac is that the Function Keys don't work. I'll have to figure work arounds for these.
Steve Z.
Steve Z.
Jack Crawford
10/8/2009 10:51 pm
I have given up on my XP installation for the time being.
I could get it to run OK (without a dos emulator) and eventually got the window size as I wanted it (thanks to Cassius et al).
However the cut and paste was frustrating. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I couldn't work out what was behind the intermittent behaviour.
Haven't time at the moment for further experimentation.
Jack
I could get it to run OK (without a dos emulator) and eventually got the window size as I wanted it (thanks to Cassius et al).
However the cut and paste was frustrating. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't. I couldn't work out what was behind the intermittent behaviour.
Haven't time at the moment for further experimentation.
Jack
Derek Cornish
10/9/2009 11:24 pm
Steve,
Congratulations on getting Grandview working on the MAC. That's very encouraging to know.
Why not try running it in XP via VMFusion without DOSBox? I've always found GV to work fine in native XP, so I imagine it should work under VMFusion too.
Derek
Congratulations on getting Grandview working on the MAC. That's very encouraging to know.
Why not try running it in XP via VMFusion without DOSBox? I've always found GV to work fine in native XP, so I imagine it should work under VMFusion too.
Derek
Derek Cornish
10/10/2009 2:18 am
Jack,
When you have time to get back to it, there are two things to consider:
1. It's easy to get the "marking" part wrong if one is in a hurry. Selecting a block of text with the mouse, as in a windows program, will appear to mark text in Grandview - i.e., it will be highlighted. But in fact, this only marks text for work within GV. For cutting and pasting between GV and other programs you must click on the GV icon in the top left-hand corner of the dos window to bring up the system menu. Then select Edit>Mark before actually going into the text and marking your selection with the mouse*. Luckily - at least on my laptop - there is a recognizable difference in the colour and brightness of the highlighting when doing it correctly.
*Alternatively for those preferring keyboard shortcuts, Alt+Space will get you to the menu, and E, K will invoke the highlighter, but I find that the marking itself can only be done with the mouse (not by using Shift-arrow keys).
2. If I remember rightly, TameDOS allows one to use the normal Windows shortcut keys for cutting and pasting from GV to Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
Derek
When you have time to get back to it, there are two things to consider:
1. It's easy to get the "marking" part wrong if one is in a hurry. Selecting a block of text with the mouse, as in a windows program, will appear to mark text in Grandview - i.e., it will be highlighted. But in fact, this only marks text for work within GV. For cutting and pasting between GV and other programs you must click on the GV icon in the top left-hand corner of the dos window to bring up the system menu. Then select Edit>Mark before actually going into the text and marking your selection with the mouse*. Luckily - at least on my laptop - there is a recognizable difference in the colour and brightness of the highlighting when doing it correctly.
*Alternatively for those preferring keyboard shortcuts, Alt+Space will get you to the menu, and E, K will invoke the highlighter, but I find that the marking itself can only be done with the mouse (not by using Shift-arrow keys).
2. If I remember rightly, TameDOS allows one to use the normal Windows shortcut keys for cutting and pasting from GV to Windows programs.
Hope this helps.
Derek
Cassius
10/10/2009 2:39 am
Derek Cornish wrote:
GV may work well for Derek under XP, but not so for me. He and I have discussed this and we are running under the same settings, I believe, but the operation of GV under each of our XP systems is different. My GV is far more crippled under XP.
-c
Steve,-----------------
Why not try running it in XP via VMFusion without DOSBox? I've
always found GV to work fine in native XP, so I imagine it should work under VMFusion
too.
Derek
GV may work well for Derek under XP, but not so for me. He and I have discussed this and we are running under the same settings, I believe, but the operation of GV under each of our XP systems is different. My GV is far more crippled under XP.
-c
Derek Cornish
10/10/2009 7:08 pm
Cassius wrote:
GV may work well for Derek
under XP, but not so for me. He and I have discussed this and we are running under the same
settings, I believe, but the operation of GV under each of our XP systems is different.
My GV is far more crippled under XP.
-c
Yes, this is strange but true. We never did find the answer. XP seems at once finicky and erratic in its handling of DOS programs. on the whole I think WIN98 may have done a better job as it had DOS 7.1. Added to this is the fact that successive Service Packs applied to XP (I'm on SP3) have also probably played a role in further "individuating" all our windows setups.
Derek
Cassius
10/10/2009 11:59 pm
Derek Cornish wrote:
Derek, do you recall if you had SP3 installed when we tried to get my GV to work better. I haven't installed SP3 because I've found that a lot of MS updates foul up other software. By the way, GV also worked fine under Win 2000.
Yes, this is strange but true. We never did find the answer. XP seems at-------------------------
once finicky and erratic in its handling of DOS programs. on the whole I think WIN98 may
have done a better job as it had DOS 7.1. Added to this is the fact that successive
Service Packs applied to XP (I'm on SP3) have also probably played a role in further
"individuating" all our windows setups.
Derek, do you recall if you had SP3 installed when we tried to get my GV to work better. I haven't installed SP3 because I've found that a lot of MS updates foul up other software. By the way, GV also worked fine under Win 2000.
Derek Cornish
10/12/2009 11:28 pm
Cassius,
I installed SP3 on August 29th 2008, if that's any help. I don't recall having had any problems with it, although some people with versions of ZoneAlarm Free Firewall earlier than version 7.0.483.000 apparently lost their internet connection. Presumably any initial glitches have been worked out by now (ever the optimist).
Derek
I installed SP3 on August 29th 2008, if that's any help. I don't recall having had any problems with it, although some people with versions of ZoneAlarm Free Firewall earlier than version 7.0.483.000 apparently lost their internet connection. Presumably any initial glitches have been worked out by now (ever the optimist).
Derek
Alexander Deliyannis
10/13/2009 7:36 am
Cassius wrote:
Sideline: My own experience with the various Service Packs is the opposite; performance actually has improved after installing SPs on my Windows --which had grown buggy and slow from long term use, as well as installing/uninstalling trial programs (as I tend to do). The Service Packs apparently 'clear the terrain' much like a fresh install would do.
This may mean that some settings are not preserved (for example, Outlook seems to again become the default mailing program after any Windows update, no matter what I have changed it to), but I don't remember software having trouble running after installing any of the SPs, quite the contrary.
In addition, I would strongly advise anyone to install the most recent Windows service packs for security reasons. Unpatched Windows installations can be remarkably vulnerable.
I haven't installed SP3 because I've found
that a lot of MS updates foul up other software.
Sideline: My own experience with the various Service Packs is the opposite; performance actually has improved after installing SPs on my Windows --which had grown buggy and slow from long term use, as well as installing/uninstalling trial programs (as I tend to do). The Service Packs apparently 'clear the terrain' much like a fresh install would do.
This may mean that some settings are not preserved (for example, Outlook seems to again become the default mailing program after any Windows update, no matter what I have changed it to), but I don't remember software having trouble running after installing any of the SPs, quite the contrary.
In addition, I would strongly advise anyone to install the most recent Windows service packs for security reasons. Unpatched Windows installations can be remarkably vulnerable.