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Posted by Paul Korm
Nov 17, 2022 at 11:40 PM
Very interesting - can you provide a link where the developers discuss this? Is this your understanding of the “Canvas plugin” that the Obsidian developers mention on their roadmap?
Dellu wrote:
>Quite interestingly, the developers in Obsidian are working on to
>develop sth similar to Miro or Scapple.
Posted by Dellu
Nov 19, 2022 at 04:49 AM
Yes, it is the canvas plugin. It started in the forum: an then moved to Trello.
https://forum.obsidian.md/t/super-fr-visual-spatial-note-taking-whiteboard-mind-map-concept-map/32346/3
Posted by Dr Dog
Nov 19, 2022 at 10:50 AM
Dellu wrote:
Yes, it is the canvas plugin. It started in the forum: an then moved to
>Trello.
>https://forum.obsidian.md/t/super-fr-visual-spatial-note-taking-whiteboard-mind-map-concept-map/32346/3
>
My use of Tinderbox is ‘trivial’ and uses only a small proportion of its power, but it is invaluable when used it in this manner, with the advantage over Scapple, for instance, of being able to add text and meta-data to the visible nodes.
I converted nearly all of my note-taking to Obsidian earlier this year, but now use the two apps in tandem: Obsidian for the vault and all of its advantages; Tinderbox for the construction and development of more substantial pieces of work (I’m an historian of medicine) which use Obsidian as a resource.
To complete the horses for courses geekiness, I then export to Scrivener for final writing up.
Posted by Dellu
Nov 19, 2022 at 12:23 PM
Tinderbox has advantage over Scapple because it lets you assign a number of metadata that you can use for organization.
That power, however, comes with a price. Tinderbox will sink your time like hell.
Drawing a little graph, that could take a few minutes could take hours in Tinderbox. If you are a person who prioritize his time, the whole process of learning this agent or prototype, that hack and this script, etc, with unorganized and unsystematic learning resource dispersed all over the place, Tinderbox is a huge pain.
The maps in Tinderbox are not as neat as in Scapple or Moro, or Heptabase or scrintal, because they hide the content under the Title.
Can you draw maps like this using Tinderbox?https://medium.com/@reorx/a-look-into-heptabases-split-writing-experience-87f9c2bfb257
No, you cannot. Tinderbox hides the actual content under the title/folder, unless you want to write paragraphs of content on the Title itself; which will lead you to complicated problems, if possible at all.
Tinderbox is good for database kind of stuff.
But, for figuring out lines of argumentation, that I described at the beginning, there are better tools. Scapple or Moro, or Heptabase or scrintal let you figure of conceptual flows in a couple of minutes with ease so that you will use your valuable time for actual productive work.
Posted by Amontillado
Nov 19, 2022 at 04:06 PM
Curiously, I’m not far from giving Tinderbox another serious trial run. I’ve always been disgusted by the convergence of promise and utter frustration. That’s where Tinderbox always fell.
A few days ago I set up a Tinderbox document as a model for planning a novel. It’s working perfectly. I’m still not certain it’s The One True Way, but I’m starting to think it could be workable.
Be gentle if I have to retract that. My intended use is plotting a novel, because, yes, like everyone else I’d like to write a novel. I’m sure I’ll hate myself in the morning.
I set up agent prototypes that look for the agent’s name in note list variables. For instance, the aAssociation agent prototype looks for its name contained within any note’s Associations list.
Create an aAssociation or aChapter agent, name it for what you want it to look for, and it collects things of interest.
The same functionality is basically automatic in Devonthink, particularly with the “exclude groups from tagging” option turned off.
But being able to see and edit notes in any corkboard view they appear in, that’s nice. I’m waffling, at least a little.
I’m open to interventions. :-)
Dellu wrote:
Tinderbox has advantage over Scapple because it lets you assign a number
>of metadata that you can use for organization.
>
>That power, however, comes with a price. Tinderbox will sink your time
>like hell.