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Posted by Bernhard
Nov 21, 2022 at 02:25 PM
If it’s about visually analyze a discourse map has someone tried Flying Logic (https://flyinglogic.com/)? Would it be recommended?
Posted by satis
Nov 21, 2022 at 02:25 PM
Dellu wrote:
>after some contemplation, I decided to stick with the basics…. Scapple
Seeing as you’re in the Apple ecosystem, take a look at Apple’s new Freeform app. Currently available on the latest versions of iOS and iPadOS, it is currently in the latest beta of macOS Ventura, due out soon. Seems to do what Scapple does and a *lot* more, allowing adding (and real-time sharing of and collaborating on) sketches, notes, files, web links, documents, photos, video, and audio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPDX7JiQS1U
On my Mac I keep gravitating to either iThoughtsX (macOS, $12) or an older registered version of MindNode because Scapple was too basic for my needs and didn’t allow easy remapping of nodes and chains like a standard mindmapping app. I don’t want to pay for a Mindnode subscription ($20/yr for iOS/iPadOS/MacOS/), but their iPad implementation seems identical to the desktop version, which is quite appealing.
Posted by Lucas
Nov 21, 2022 at 05:46 PM
Bernhard wrote:
If it’s about visually analyze a discourse map has someone tried Flying
>Logic (https://flyinglogic.com/)? Would it be recommended?
As mentioned earlier in this thread, Flying Logic is one of the tools I use for concept mapping. It’s certainly top-notch. Since I’m an outlining type, I would use FL more if it had integrated outlining functionality, but it does allow for exporting maps as OPML outlines. (Importing options, from what I remember, are more limited.) I also like FL’s dynamic auto-arrangement functionality, although that might not be for everyone. It’s geared especially toward “theory of constraints”, but it could certainly be used for analyzing a discourse map. There’s a bit of a learning curve, but I think there’s a 14-day trial.
For a more specific tool, in addition to Argdown, which I mentioned, there is also (among others):
https://www.rationaleonline.com/
Posted by Amontillado
Nov 22, 2022 at 12:35 AM
Flying Logic came out with an update today, free to any already with a version 3 license.
I’ve always thought it was cool, but it never really worked for me like I hoped it would. The problem is my purposes aren’t what it’s for.
Frankly, I’m a little bummed. OmniOutliner has rough edges and does really nice things that nothing else will do.
For instance, you can outline with threads, using a column to specify the plot thread and filters to see just one thread at a time. Unfortunately, I don’t know how interested OmniGroup is in the product. It’s still developed, but it’s not mentioned in OmniGroup’s roadmap.
A shame.
Tinderbox will do great things, but it’s also a little rough.
Devonthink is awesome. You can outline with it, but should you?
The array of powerful note-taking apps probably has something to suit me, but I’m grumpy about the cloud. I’d rather sync manually with a USB drive.
I’m probably impossible to please.
Posted by Dellu
Nov 22, 2022 at 05:19 AM
I have also tried Flying Logic long time ago. The maps look cool. But, it didn’t work much for me either because the maps are too rigidly structured. It is designed for restricted logical argumentation. It is not suited for general writing purposes: for free experimentation that you would have do on the white board.
This is exactly the reason most mind mapping tools failed me. They assume pre-worked out structure (hierarchy). I don’t have structure. I want to use the mapping tool to discover the structures by experimentation. The free form concept mapers work for me.
- Outliners also do not do much for me. I sometimes use bullet points, but, mostly, I write longer sentences such as paraphrases when I get ideas. I don’t like any tool that forces me follow a certain template to write. It constrains my thinking.