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Posted by JDS
Nov 19, 2022 at 04:44 PM

So true. As a CRIMPEr of 30+years, I have never come across software so highly ratedand with so much potential, and yet so difficult to use as to be of no value to me

Posted by Dr Dog
Nov 19, 2022 at 04:49 PM

Simply not true - if it were I wouldn’t be able to use it.

To make a concept map - click on map view to create visual note - add title and as much text as you like (so far, so like Scapple), or title and separate text (note). Connect notes by dragging connection from bottom of the note. It’s that easy.

Why involve agents, prototypes and all the rest unless you have to? And you don’t to draw a very useful concept map.

For processing a database of notes (a different task) you can be greatly helped by Agents (permanent ‘smart’ searches) and prototypes and all of the other meta-data operations - but as I said, I’m a trivial user in that regard and I now find Obsidian better for *my* note purposes most of the time.

I’m really not sure what your intemperate dismissal was supposed to achieve.

Dellu wrote:
Tinderbox has advantage over Scapple because it lets you assign a number
>of metadata that you can use for organization.
> >That power, however, comes with a price. Tinderbox will sink your time
>like hell.
> >Drawing a little graph, that could take a few minutes could take hours
>in Tinderbox. If you are a person who prioritize his time, the whole
>process of learning this agent or prototype, that hack and this script,
>etc, with unorganized and unsystematic learning resource dispersed all
>over the place, Tinderbox is a huge pain.
> >The maps in Tinderbox are not as neat as in Scapple or Moro, or
>Heptabase or scrintal, because they hide the content under the Title.
> >Can you draw maps like this using
>Tinderbox?https://medium.com/@reorx/a-look-into-heptabases-split-writing-experience-87f9c2bfb257
> >No, you cannot. Tinderbox hides the actual content under the
>title/folder, unless you want to write paragraphs of content on the
>Title itself; which will lead you to complicated problems, if possible
>at all.
> >Tinderbox is good for database kind of stuff.
> >But, for figuring out lines of argumentation, that I described at the
>beginning, there are better tools. Scapple or Moro, or Heptabase or
>scrintal let you figure of conceptual flows in a couple of minutes with
>ease so that you will use your valuable time for actual productive work.
> >
>

Posted by Dellu
Nov 19, 2022 at 05:13 PM

- If you are going to use for simple mind maps (concept maps), and not exploit the great powers of it, why do use spend a hefty price on a premium app while you can achieve those effects with cheap, even free apps?

>I’m really not sure what your intemperate dismissal was supposed to achieve.

I really had no purpose. I was just expressing my frustration; and regret on the amount of time I sank to Tinderbox. I spent a lot of time on it; and produce nothing specially important out it. With all honestly, I would have produced a lot of valuable stuff if I had used that time for actual reading and writing. Wrong decisions!

There are many unaware people here who would think they will master it and achieve great things with it. But, most of us end up spending our time and money for no real use. Aren’t we all here to learn from each other’s mistakes? I am just sharing the mistakes I made.

Tinderbox comes with a price.
1) if you want use the great powers of it, you have to sink a lot of your time. That might not be so for very intelligent people. But, for me, that has been my experience.
2) if you are going to use it just for simple things, you are again at lose because your paying hefty price for a trivial task you can achieve with free, or low cost apps.

IF you are going to gain for your time and money, your material needs to be extensive, and, very hard to work out with other simpler apps. That is my learning. Sb else might not mind paying money; or spending long hours on it—or be intelligent and master is all in a few days. Anyways, that has been my experience with TB. I get great value with Scapple—much better productivity with it.

Posted by Dr Dog
Nov 19, 2022 at 05:26 PM

Twitter-like Tinderbox pile-on. Nothing new. How very tedious.

Posted by Amontillado
Nov 19, 2022 at 06:38 PM

Tinderbox’s official documentation could stand some work. The community supported aTbRef is far superior.

Some of the distinctions in Tinderbox are easy to lose track of, like the meanings of agents, actions, edicts, and rules. On the other hand, I can look up what I need when I need it.

Tinderbox has a huge advantage over Scapple (and I like Scapple).

Scapple is a single corkboard. Tinderbox is 3-d. A map can have notes and it can have collections, which could be thought of as sub-corkboards. You can navigate Tinderbox. That’s probably why I don’t use Scapple. It’s great, but I keep wishing a note in Scapple could dive down into a sub-category.

Given the choice between using Scapple and Tinderbox, it wouldn’t be a hard decision. You could ignore all the bells and whistles and still have a more effective planning environment in Tinderbox.

Curio is another under-appreciated planning application. My humble and unwashed opinion, of course.

With a near zero time investment I can make a Curio project look like a polished, publication ready, design. With zero time invested in templates, it produces handsome work.

For my use, Curio hit the afterburners with synced text figures (notes). These are notes that can appear in multiple places throughout a Curio project.

Curio doesn’t have Tinderbox’s automation. It’s very easy to use. Curio has its limitations, too.

Dr Dog wrote:
Twitter-like Tinderbox pile-on. Nothing new. How very tedious.
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