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Posted by 22111
Jul 11, 2022 at 08:03 PM
Ad Amontillado: No, I haven’t found my answer yet, but McKee’s short YT vid “Q&A - How Do you Reveal a Character’s Hidden Nature” certainly is probably one of the most important hints any screen- or theatre writer can get in their life… and yes, the French give a crap about that one, too… but then, their “works” who do give that crap ain’t “exportable” anywhere… (Btw, did I tell you the ultimate “Rohmer”‘s by Christian Vincent, “La Discrète” (1990, with divine Judith Henry)?)
Ad Chris: Outlining has got a meaning, a purpose: it ain’t “just technical”: it’s about info collecting / administration… and ultimately, it’s about OUTPUT, hopefully not within the “me-too” range, but for something worthwhile. Thus, please excuse my digressions, I promise I always try to minimize’em…
And again, I confirm my very first impression that German’s the richest language of’em all, today for example I desperately tried to get the English equivalent for “Verwandlung”, to no avail: read Rilke, Heine, etc., and you’ll be becharmed of the richness of what the allegedly unparalled language-of’em’all’s able to express - n’yeah, I’m aware of the fact that the Nazis killed all-of-that… I don’t really know if there’s somebody out there who’s aware that the Germans currently commit suicide, out-of-this… I’m one of those who FLED the “Germans” (i.e. incl. their “nationality) ... but not their incredible, incomparable heritage and tradition pre-33… I’m not sure if some people out there are aware of the fact that the Western World as a whole’s currently committing suicide… falsely identifying, and then allegedly born-to-atone-for, with some the meanest outskirts, outreaches, of Western, allegedly ENGLIGHTEND mind… instead of every one of those individuals saying to themselves, I’ll do better, e.g. I’ll make my wife really happy, so that our kids will grow up happy… and that’s all whoever could ever ask’em.
But no, even that’s beyond most’of’them, and there we are…
Again, outlining, ANY form of organizing your “stuff” comes with a purpose, and whatever you call it, that purpose is OUTPUT, be it “Oscar”-striving, or just trying to increase your bucks - and here, we’ve got another proof for the German language: “vermehren”, anyone? Does it occur to you that their pre-33 German was outright incredible, divine?...
Thus, at the end of the day, it’s not about “outlining”... it’s about what’ve got going to do (say, assume…) - about your plans, and their finality…
Well, at the end of the day, you outlining’s not about organize what what you already know… it should be a tool to find, discover, present SOMETHING NEW in your “paper”, right?
At “Mad”: You’re right, I don’t like “Apple”, but the moment they did something FOR us, I’d endorse’em again… and then, they obviously will never do, they’re just mean, and I hate mean people… not speaking (again) about their innumerable failures re honesty, be it fails in their hardware, or “closing down” against “everyone”, by their connectors, or their file formats… they also are censorship vanguard, and for example, it was them who “closed” any tumblr “porn”, incl. art… yes, art - ok, 10 p.c. of that “porn”, but censoring art’s nazi, sorry for putting it bluntly, and from then on, such people ain’t “satisfaktionsfähig” anymore, except for atonement on their side… which will never come, see?
And then, in order to not digress beyond any measure, and at Amontillado and all here, look into the YT “Creative Spark” series, with 12 vids up to now: you’ll discover, among other Oscar Winners, David Seidler with his Nineties’ software, together with his IBM Eighties’ kb, and then, the incredible, literally possessed Dustin Lance Black’s - cat lovers refrain!: your beloved Mäus’chen / mousie will create ultimate havoc - not with just physical (i.e. printed-out) index cards, but with STAPLES of such cards, every one of’em clipped to whatever “material” or “developments” they might intimately contain, be just the advert to… - this Academy Award winner displays, on his big, very big table, what he obviously, previously assemblied in some “outliner software” or similar…
a task that UR can easily do, but then, not as easily that is, neither Uly App nor DT.
And that’s my point here: Finding - or creating, by enhancing something not yet that “ready from prime time” (as, or how, they say?), but “with potential”...
i.e. the availability to be appropriately enhanced, by some macros, necessary indeed, whilst software’s coded by coders:
It’s all about software helping you into producing output beyond me-too quality - if you use standard sw fare to generate standard fare, that’s ok… but that’s not what a specialized forum should be about.
Chris’s with me in that, obviously, since every time I try to log in, I get thru, and so, I can continue to plead for producing something special; in our generations at least, lifetimes being set yet, let’s try to do something right in writing: no me-too, no what’d-please-to-the-government… or then, just breed, and be a good father: you’ll be the exception by the rule, there again.
(To be continued.)
(And here again: Alleged, self-proclaimed writers, show us you write: enliven our day, don’t apply us your it’s-good-enough-there: we deserve better.)
And yes, I fully endorse the M’O, the “Musée d’Orsay”, and not only for Courbet’s “L’Origine du monde” (cf. tumblr vs. Apple’s manigances = schemings), but especially for Manet’s “Balcon”, and Renoir’s “Bal” - none of them very certainly ever complained about their respective hardware… they just applied it to their respective genius… they used it as it came - us, on the other hand, we strive, and so we are entitled to the best brush we could get… since we simply need it, right?
Let’s be honest, let’s be plain: Our likes need crutches, in order to walk right beneath the really inspired, so let’s aspire, and ask, for the very best crutches we’d get. Remember “Born Free” (1966)? Feel somewhat even lesser than a lion’s mind?
- Don’t work for the government;
- Think different;
- Be a good father (which implies: good husband);
... and you won’t die, as all those myriads of sheep do though.
Be different. Outlining’s a thing of less than 5 p.c. of the (even academic) population… isn’t that a good start? Why then deny it in your respective thinking and output?
(And again: verleugnen, verneinen = to deny: what a depletion, and again: Verarmung being the special, pre-De-Enlightenment, German term.)
Very, very probably, and except for scripting, anybody producing real stuff should adopt Scrivener (Mac)... but then, the discussion’d be closed, right? ;-)
And did it occur to you that none of the Academy Award winners linked to above does their writing within the alleged “industry standard”? Be free’s the “Losung”, and no, neither “slogan” nor “scat” get it. - And no, that’s not an excuse indeed, I remember, very fondly that is, that Pole, writing just wonderful English novels, Conrad.
But then, observe Black (from above): He obviously LOVES what he does, all day, documentation, physical work included: He KNOWS what he’s doing. He’s not a genius either, but - or rather: that’s why - he may serve as our example:
He finally gets his stuff together, and that’s the key for all of us hacks… n’listen to McKee… and don’t work for the government. ;-) I’m serious, damn serious.
Posted by 22111
Jul 11, 2022 at 08:08 PM
“Posted by tightbeam
Jul 11, 2022 at 06:57 PM
I would like to submit again my request for the ability to block specific users on this forum.”
I don’t understand: When tightbeam sees a thread has been started by 22111, why does they click on that thread, to begin with? Didn’t his mother tell’em they could get wholly new experiences, by pawing at the burner?
Posted by 22111
Jul 11, 2022 at 10:38 PM
Very happy to have been able to write down my last “real” post before reading that figure’s implicit incitement to silence me; some people try to be constructive, others try to destruct.
And that’s why many people with real “output” don’t read critics, there’s simply too much meanness and dumbness out there, and in combination, it literally puts to death, and even the legendary Ebert had been wrong more often than not, re comedy (and exclusively there), but for us, third-parties, his comments are among the very best education we could ever get.
I don’t want to be misunderstood, I deeply admire Black’s (see above) level of organization, and his writings, but when he says (my wording, and in the YT video I cited above: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrvawtrRxsw ) that it’s not about making your protagonists relatable but being truly, fully themselves, he, according to me, wanted to express the ORDER of your requirements re your own work, and then I fully back what he says… but of course, it’s called the “movie business”, and it isn’t but in the European Union where screenwriters are entitled to forget this basic fact.
Re Ebert, see for example his review https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-drowning-pool-1975 and what he says about visual style in there, and then, “but otherwise I [he obviously meant: we] didn’t much care, and that’s fatal for a thriller” - and we’re back to the paradoxon Black allegedly had in mind:
Whom do we remember, from The Silence of the Lambs? The FBI women? Scarcely… but then, the serial killer’s unforgettable - since he was perfect, perfectly written, perfectly “mis en scène”, and perfectly impersonated by one of the greatest actors of our time (which also implies perfect casting).
Thus, when you get it all to perfection, Black’s right… but then, view, e.g., “Un flic”, and many more, in order to get back to earth… I don’t advocate, “play it safe”, but then be certain you’ve got box office material altogether, and most of our beloved Le Samouraï‘s tickets were sold years after 1967, to film buffs then like we are, in cinemas “Art et Essai”; also see movies re Yves Saint Laurent, Truman Capote, Francis Bacon: relatability is important after all.
But then, it’s his incredible index card STACK management I mentioned Black for, here in our subject area.
(Oh, and when, “above”, I seemed to have overlooked Fanny och Alexander, to mention in my little list of “overlong” films, that was because with Bergman’s masterpiece, I didn’t feel at some point, “and now it’s enough!”, but I would have been happy, had it gone on and on and on: just wonderful…)
Posted by Amontillado
Jul 11, 2022 at 11:43 PM
22111 wrote:
>And here again: Alleged, self-proclaimed writers, show us you write:
>enliven our day, don’t apply us your it’s-good-enough-there: we deserve
>better.
Paraphrasing Myra Welch,
Twas battered and scarred, the old digital machine, and the auctioneer thought it scarcely worth his while.
“What am I bid, good folks,” he cried. “A dollar, maybe three? Going once, going twice…”
But no, from the room, far back, a gray-haired fellow sat down at the keyboard. Wiping the dust from the screen he began to write of triumph turned tragedy and bright golden rays of truth, the hush in the room wrought from the passage of his words.
When he finished, the auctioneer, with a voice quiet and low, said, “What am I bid for the old word forge? A thousand? Ten thousand? Who’ll make it twenty?”
And many a writer with life beyond salvage is auctioned cheap to a thoughtless publisher, much like a discarded computer. He is going once, going twice, he’s going and almost gone - but the Master comes and the foolish market can never quite understand the worth of a soul and the touch of the Master’s hand.
Your readers will never care if you used a Mac, an Android, a Montblanc, or a Bic.
Tools have no power beyond what a craftsman can offer, yet no implement is useless. Neither is a writer artistic because of his tools.
We writers are here because excellence calls from beyond worldly concern.
Which brings me to my question. Was I able to make you think when you read that, dear 22111? If I did, does it matter that I wrote on a Mac?
I think you have much to offer. Your suggestion of McKee’s video shows you can see wisdom. There are tools I consider crude and substandard, but I always try to appreciate what their developers were trying to offer.
Try it. Look at something wretched and see a hard fought attempt at greatness. What you first see as a broken hulk might be a giant with shoulders worth standing on.
Posted by Drewster
Jul 12, 2022 at 12:04 AM
I follow this forum via RSS so each post arrives without the ability to filter them visually.
I’m sorry, 22111 but you need to seek some medical support.
Your screeds make no sense and read like the rantings of a madman. You are delivering no value to this forum and I suggest you find your own personal blog where you can write whatever you like and people can choose - or not choose - to read it.
Please leave.