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Posted by 22111
Jun 9, 2022 at 06:54 PM
I think it’s probably a very good thing
that a “thought tools” thread in which a figure like “Chomsky” (what about hunger camps for the un-“vaccinated” - who should be “separated from society”, and then, even their food would “be their problem” - some people dispute he said such things? what do I know, from all the web’s alleged news and alleged fake news?) was mentioned in context with Einstein,
quickly was hijacked by fountain pen collectors, oh yeah.
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Jun 11, 2022 at 01:19 AM
This thread was about tools for thought - fountain pens are tools for thought, and not just items for collectors. Your disdain is somewhat offensive in this context.
Some of us are concerned with how longhand notes play a role in a very computerized world.
You may also recall that a very real concern about anti-Semitism arose in this thread in the context of one of the major figures in the fountain pen world, and that contributed to the number of fountain pen related posts, in part because I was unaware of the particular situation until it was mentioned here.
Lastly, not all outlines are created on computers. Some people use lead pencils, and others use four-colour BIC pens or fountain pens.
22111 wrote:
I think it’s probably a very good thing
>
>that a “thought tools” thread in which a figure like “Chomsky” (what
>about hunger camps for the un-“vaccinated” - who should be “separated
>from society”, and then, even their food would “be their problem” - some
>people dispute he said such things? what do I know, from all the web’s
>alleged news and alleged fake news?) was mentioned in context with
>Einstein,
>
>quickly was hijacked by fountain pen collectors, oh yeah.
Posted by Amontillado
Jun 12, 2022 at 12:21 AM
Daly de Gagne wrote:
This thread was about tools for thought - fountain pens are tools for
>thought, and not just items for collectors. Your disdain is somewhat
>offensive in this context.
>
My first thought was a paraphrase of Captain Jack Sparrow’s advice to Will Turner on Will’s challenge in the blacksmith shop.
Do you think this wise, crossing quills with a wordsmith? :-)
But don’t read any snark into that quip, please. I live to write and can’t pass up an opportunity for repartee.
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Jun 12, 2022 at 02:27 AM
Amontillado - no snark there that I could find! I love the quote and the repartee!
Back when I was a journalist, I had a friend in the bureau, and he and I often had these crazy, funny conversations. He’d say we were a couple of bantering rams.
Cheers,
. Daly
Amontillado wrote:
>
>Daly de Gagne wrote:
>This thread was about tools for thought - fountain pens are tools for
>>thought, and not just items for collectors. Your disdain is somewhat
>>offensive in this context.
>>
>
>My first thought was a paraphrase of Captain Jack Sparrow’s advice to
>Will Turner on Will’s challenge in the blacksmith shop.
>
>Do you think this wise, crossing quills with a wordsmith? :-)
>
>But don’t read any snark into that quip, please. I live to write and
>can’t pass up an opportunity for repartee.
Posted by 22111
Jun 12, 2022 at 11:17 AM
Sometimes, people look up to the wrong persons - not because their idols are worthy of it, but because they, the admirers, the fanboys, want to be part of a “followers’ community, and whatever the “content” whenever the “message” is appealing -, and sometimes, people use unqualified instruments for taking notes - fountain pens slowing your notetaking down, and, notwithstanding what they might naïvely “think” of that allegedly being a “good thing” - about “time to think it over” and it all -, it’s a bad one, since it’s all about the necessary speed to scribble down ALL aspects of “your late husband” while the “yoghurt” lasts (cf. https://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/9786/0/maps-eg-etc )...
for editing then, you might even use paper printouts indeed, but possibly scribbling into them with a pencil (not Ikea’s free but too short ones, of course); and there’s the problem of well- (even author-) readable handwriting being quite rare among thinkers (whilst 15-year-old school girls nowadays not writing but the strict, legally-enforced minimum anymore to begin with - to cite the perfect example of perfect handwriting readability) - so even if you use a “dictation” system instead (see my clarification over there, today), which, from speed considerations would then allow you to “write it down” by fountain pen, readability concerns should probably make you decide otherwise.
And, of course, I meant it was a good thing the discussion was deflected from “thinking” around a “thinker” whose “thinking” is highly debatable - to put it as courteous as it gets -, by ANY other subject, I just dared name that one: my gosh!