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Posted by Simon
Sep 5, 2021 at 12:40 PM
A law that oppresses people and is recognised as being wrong globally. It is unethical to do business with nations that oppress their people. Which is why we have sanctions. China is known for its systematic oppression of the Uighur people. This is not ok and Apple et al should not be profiting from China.
We are obviously not going to agree and have very different values. As one who has lived in an oppressive nation and felt the injustice of such a regime you might think differently if it was you. Thankfully at the moment our laws in the west protect us, but certainly not the working practices of corporate businesses.
As this has now moved off topic this is my last comment on the issue.
satis wrote:
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>Simon wrote:
>And there’s the point. In calluding with the Chinese government
>>they make millions/billions from the Chinese people.
>
>Calluding (sic), aka following the law, is what every company does in
>every country on the planet. And that’s not profiteering.
>
>> They would be
>>better not to sell their products and services at all.
>
>So you would be better not to buy anything form China then. But you
>don’t. By your own logic (with which I disagree) you are profiteering.
Posted by satis
Sep 5, 2021 at 02:11 PM
I think it’s naive to believe that given a country’s oppression of internal groups any company selling in and following laws within that country is unethical. Given China’s history of repression against Tibet after ‘annexation’ in 1950 anyone really believing that should not be purchasing Chinese-made goods at all, for the entirety of their life. And given Russia’s actions in Crimea in 2014 (not to mention American, Brazilian, Congo, Peruvian, Saudi etc treatment of indigenous people or women to this day) one with strong feelings about oppression should likewise be reconsidering purchases from any companies dealing with those countries.
Even so, there remains no evidence of those companies actually profiteering, which is the point I originally addressed.
Nevertheless, using this logic, some customer really believing this would necessarily himself be acting unethically by purchasing hardware and cloud services from any such company doing business in China, and they should look into the select handful of computer models made in Taiwan or Japan in order to live in accord with their ethics.
Posted by MadaboutDana
Sep 7, 2021 at 10:16 AM
Let’s face it, various parts of the US of A are currently attempting to repress their very own ethnic voters. The old belief that developed Western nations aren’t corrupt and that only developing/emergent nations suffer from corruption issues is just that… old. Try reading Sarah Chayes on the issue (and while she focuses on America, let’s not pretend that any of us European nations are very much different – just watch the UK, Hungary or Poland as they all attempt to repress/turn the judiciary, gerrymander voting boundaries and suppress minority contingents. It’s instructive).
A reference for those interested: https://www.amazon.com/Corruption-America-What-Stake/dp/0525654852
satis wrote:
I think it’s naive to believe that given a country’s oppression of
>internal groups any company selling in and following laws within that
>country is unethical. Given China’s history of repression against Tibet
>after ‘annexation’ in 1950 anyone really believing that should not be
>purchasing Chinese-made goods at all, for the entirety of their life.
>And given Russia’s actions in Crimea in 2014 (not to mention American,
>Brazilian, Congo, Peruvian, Saudi etc treatment of indigenous people or
>women to this day) one with strong feelings about oppression should
>likewise be reconsidering purchases from any companies dealing with
>those countries.
>
>Even so, there remains no evidence of those companies actually
>profiteering, which is the point I originally addressed.
>
>Nevertheless, using this logic, some customer really believing this
>would necessarily himself be acting unethically by purchasing hardware
>and cloud services from any such company doing business in China, and
>they should look into the select handful of computer models made in
>Taiwan or Japan in order to live in accord with their ethics.
Posted by Luhmann
Sep 21, 2021 at 06:08 AM
A useful article explaining how the new “Apple Private Relay” feature works on iOS, and how it is different from a VPN. This is the key line: it can “stop websites from building a profile of you and selling it around to advertisers and data brokers,” but it won’t mask that you are using a proxy server or hide your region like some VPNs can do - it also currently only works in Safari.
Note that it encrypts info before sending it to Apple, but Apple will still know your IP even if that gets masked when forwarding to the target website.
(I’ve heard of speed issues with early beta releases, don’t know if they’ve been fixed or not. I haven’t tried it yet myself.)