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Posted by Chris Murtland
Aug 31, 2021 at 02:45 AM
I have reverted to using desktop apps with local data. Perhaps my situation is unique, but I find I don’t really need mobile access.
Posted by MadaboutDana
Aug 31, 2021 at 07:38 AM
I have to agree with @satis: if we were all truly principled on the China question, we wouldn’t be using computers at all, because ALL of them include (key) components made in China.
Makes you think.
satis wrote:
>
>Simon wrote:
>> Their profiteering in China at the expense of peoples human
>> rights and privacy shows a complete lack of integrity.
>
>If you don’t want to trust iCloud that’s up to you but I’d ask you to
>define ‘profiteering’ and perhaps also explain how Apple’s worker
>conditions or legally-mandated treatment of customers in China is one
>iota worse than any other tech company in that country.
Posted by Luhmann
Aug 31, 2021 at 02:25 PM
If someone else has the key it isn’t true e2e. For people who care about privacy it is a crucial difference and it is why Apple is careful not to call it e2e in their own documentation.
satis wrote:
>If you’re not uploading an already encrypted Logseq database file then
>yes you’re dealing with https and Apple’s file encryption, which is true
>e2e but with them retaining the key in case users lose their passwords.
Posted by satis
Aug 31, 2021 at 02:37 PM
If you look at the etymology of the term, there are many variants of e2e since it was first implemented, originally just meaning that communication is never decrypted during transmission from sender to receiver. There’s no accepted term ‘true e2e’ but I agree that the most private variant is when only the sender and receiver have keys, using client-side encryption.
Posted by Amontillado
Sep 1, 2021 at 02:34 AM
Too few people take privacy seriously. Witness how few people encrypt email, even though it’s simple and automatic with most email clients.