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Posted by Ken
May 3, 2021 at 04:15 PM
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
I just recently had a look at columns.app too and my assessment is the
>same as yours: interesting and intriguing concept, but needs more work.
>
>There is a similar app called Checklist (not Checkvist) that you may
>want to look at if you remain interested in that approach. I haven’t
>used it, so this is no endorsement. Just a referral:
>
>https://checklist.com
>
>Steve
First, it is nice to see you back in the forum, Steve. I know that you took some time away, but I am glad to see you back.
Second, it is funny that you recommended Checklist. For some reason, I believe that I came across it on the Android platform last year and then opened an account with them. I have not really used it much, but will take a look again. What I liked about Columns was the ability to have multiple lists next to each other and the ability to move items quickly between them and between the heading (dividers) in each list. In essence, this was really just a Kanban style board with swimlanes which can somewhat be re-created in a lot of other programs. But, for example, when I tried to do this in Quire.io (which states that it has swimlanes), it was a bit of a disaster because the Kanban board was designed for workflow only and could not easily be re-used for multiple lists.
I used to only try out programs that I truly thought I would use. Now, I am trying out more programs if only to help me further refine what I do and do not like in the designs of various apps/programs and how I think about the information I am handling. Sometimes it is fun to poke around a new app and play with it, but what I am finding is that it is also causing me to open my mind and question my assumptions and methodology. I expect very few programs to get me to radically change my habits, but even subtle refinements are appreciated.
—Ken
Posted by jaslar
May 3, 2021 at 06:46 PM
Luhmann, that was a lucid explanation of your points. Thanks. I may have to rethink how I work my notes…
Luhmann wrote:
Very interesting how different people work, but I realize I just assumed
>it was obvious why someone would want to organize tasks in a knowledge
>manager because it is now the only way I can work, but I shouldn’t have.
>Here is why:
>
>1. CRM
>
>Let’s say you have a number of tasks that involves a person [[John
>Smith]] or an organization [[Acme Corp]]. If you tag them (as I have in
>this sentence) every time you make a task, then when you go to the page
>for that person or organization you will see backlinks to all the
>previous tasks you had for that person. This alone is so incredibly
>useful I can’t understand how I ever lived without this.
>
>2. Knowledge related tasks
>
>The same is true if you are researching a concept (e.g. [[calculus]]) or
>the work of a scholar associated with that concept (i.e. [[Newton]]).
>For instance, if I have a task which is to read [[Philosophiæ
>Naturalis Principia Mathematica]] by [[Newton]] for my paper on
>[[calculus]], then the pages to all of those tagged phrases will be
>linked together in my knowledge graph. If I forgot the name of the book
>I can just go to a page for what I do remember, such as [[Newton]] and
>quickly find the book I recently finished reading, along with all of my
>notes on the subject. When I am ready to write my paper on [[calculus]]
>all the tasks I completed related to that task will be there.
>
>3. Create tasks as you take notes
>
>But even more than backlinks and networked links, the ability to embed
>tasks in the context in which they occurred to me is even more
>important. If I am reading [[Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia
>Mathematica]] and I suddenly realize I need to read [[Supplementum
>geometriae dimensoriae]] by [[Leibniz]] I can make a note right in the
>middle of my notes where the need to do so occurred to me. Then, when I
>see the task later, I will not only have a potentially meaningless note
>telling me I need to read something, but I will see from the context of
>the note why I needed to do this.
>
>Or, to use another example, if I’m baking an [[apple pie]] and realize I
>need to make a task “buy sugar”, I will see that this task was part of
>the project to bake an apple pie, which is essential information for me.
>I could, in Todoist, create a project “bake apple pie” and then a
>sub-task “buy sugar” but often I don’t want to bake an apple pie right
>now, and don’t want to clog up my task management app with such an
>unnecessary project. Rather, I am researching it because I would like to
>do it someday, and I realize that the only thing stopping me is the lack
>of sugar in the house. The next time I think of it I will see that I
>already completed this step, and so nothing is preventing me from making
>that pie.
>
>—
>
>These are just some made-up examples, but the reality is actually more
>wondrous and varied than this short account conveys. I really can’t
>think of working any other way any more.
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
May 3, 2021 at 07:09 PM
Luhmann wrote:
>Let’s say you have a number of tasks that involves a person [[John Smith]] or an organization [[Acme Corp]]. If you tag them (as I have in this sentence) every time you make a task, then when you go to the page for that person or organization you will see backlinks to all the previous tasks you had for that person. This alone is so incredibly useful I can’t understand how I ever lived without this.
Question for you: How will this scale over time ? When you have hundreds of interactions with XYZ or references to subject ABC ?
Posted by MadaboutDana
May 3, 2021 at 07:44 PM
I love this concept by @Luhmann – although Pierre’s question is an interesting one.
On the other hand: scaling ANY task management app is a challenge!
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
May 3, 2021 at 07:51 PM
MadaboutDana wrote:
> I love this concept by @Luhmann – although Pierre’s question is an interesting one. >
> On the other hand: scaling ANY task management app is a challenge!
Not with appropriage filtering…
A corollary question, can Roam et al filter backlinks ? Is performance maintained with 10K+ pages and links ?
p.s. Seems this site has issues with non orthodox Unicode characters, punctuation in this case. Perhaps check your editor options !