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Posted by steveylang
Dec 27, 2021 at 08:13 PM
I settled on UpNote a few months back, but recently went through a few weeks using Notion (and also trialling Obsidian.) I believe I am coming back to UpNote, for me it seems the best unique combination of features, interface, and pricing:
- Good links/backlinks implementation (my main organizational method now)
- Tags, folders, stars, pins as secondary organizational tools
- Very responsive software with local storage (faster/snappier than Notion and Craft), reliable synchronization, good import/export
- Attractive, elegant interface (this is where Obsidian really falls down for me)
- WYSIWYG (maybe a given in this forum, but I had been trying out Obsidian…)
- Mac/iOS/Android/Windows (I only really need Mac and iOS)
- Tables
- Affordable lifetime license
The one major feature I am personally missing right now is ability to collapse/expand (it does have TOC feature which helps a lot here.)
The way collapse/expand is currently implemented in Obsidian (by heading) would be fine for me.
I was pretty happy with Notion and love its versatility, but really wish it used local storage. I don’t know that the company can easily implement this, as its apps are basically just web browser windows and a lot of Notion’s functionality seems server based. For team work I think it would be excellent.
WSP wrote:
Oops. I just found the answer to my own naive question. Simply clicking
>twice (in Windows, anyway) on a note title in the left-hand column opens
>the note in a separate little window, and I see that I can have several
>notes open simultaneously.
>
>This confirms my general impression of UpNote: it is an exceptionally
>powerful little app, but sometimes you have to poke around a bit to
>discover its potential.
>
Posted by steveylang
Dec 27, 2021 at 10:14 PM
satis wrote:
>It’s continuing to improve, but for me it’s only became usable this past
>week when they *finally* added the ability to search within notes.
Right- a very important feature.
>I bought it and I look forward to its continued improvements, but with
>the still-unlimited cloud storage they’re promising for the app I remain
>very wary of depending on it because there’s no way that offer is
>sustainable with a cheap one-time app purchase.
The most viable solution would seem to be to cap storage and/or offer additional tiers for larger storage capacity. But this should have been done from the get-go, rather than retrofitting storage limits after customers have bought lifetime licenses. Even if they don’t anticipate any issues for 99% of user accounts, it’s probably better to slap on some high arbitrary storage limit just in case.
I have a lifetime license and it won’t bother me if/when the day comes where they have to implement storage limits. It could be problematic and bad from PR perspective, but I imagine they would do that before sinking the company because some customers are using way too much storage/bandwidth.
The Markdown export seems very good, so at least our data should be portable if they ever close up shop.
Posted by rafael costacurta
Dec 28, 2021 at 06:01 PM
I wrote to Upnote customer Support asking more info about the viability of the project, mentioning such a cheap one time fee for the app and i´ve got this answer from Thomas:
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Hi Rafael,
Thanks for writing to us and we really appreciate that you like and support UpNote :)
Our team is from Vietnam and our plan is to develop UpNote into a fully featured notes app which is intuitive and easy to use on all platforms. We have been developing UpNote for 4 years and have integrated many of our users’ feedback to make UpNote more pleasant to use.
We want to make the lifetime license affordable so that the app can be widely used and enjoyed by our users. We believe that as long as we receive support from users we will be able to sustain the business for long. If you know any friends who may enjoy UpNote, please help us spread the words :)
Posted by satis
Dec 28, 2021 at 09:57 PM
> We believe that as long as we receive support from users
> we will be able to sustain the business for long.
Continuing storage costs (not to mention ongoing dev salaries, rents, and rewarding investors) simply do not scale with individual $20 one-time payments, no matter what representatives say.
The closest analogue might be IA writer, which is $30 for iOS and $30 for macOS, but they don’t offer any cloud storage, let alone Upnote’s claim of *unlimited* cloud storage for all users.
Although I bought Upnote in May and it’s finally become a useful alternative to Apple Notes (albeit without much of an advantage over it) I have no confidence whatsoever in the dev’s ability to continue to offer the current plan with this low one-time price. They will either need to restrict cloud storage (or charge for it beyond a certain point, or offload cloud storage to a user’s choice of pay-cloud), change to a subscription model (like virtually every other writing, notetaking or task management app with proprietary cloud), or are aiming to sell the product to a larger company… who will make one of the above choices.
Posted by MadaboutDana
Dec 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM
In theory, I agree. In practice, the concept of “unlimited” storage is purely theoretical.
I suspect this offer is based on an actuarial calculation: most people won’t use more than a fairly predictable range of storage volumes. A few might use vast amounts of storage. A very large number (probably the majority) of users won’t use much storage at all. Plus: I have no idea what storage costs in Vietnam, but I’m assuming that’s something a sensible actuarial calculation would also factor in.
The outcome is a positive one, however: UpNote is a very reasonably priced, super-cross-platform app that’s in constant and ongoing development.
satis wrote:
> We believe that as long as we receive support from users
>> we will be able to sustain the business for long.
>
>Continuing storage costs (not to mention ongoing dev salaries, rents,
>and rewarding investors) simply do not scale with individual $20
>one-time payments, no matter what representatives say.
>
>The closest analogue might be IA writer, which is $30 for iOS and $30
>for macOS, but they don’t offer any cloud storage, let alone Upnote’s
>claim of *unlimited* cloud storage for all users.
>
>Although I bought Upnote in May and it’s finally become a useful
>alternative to Apple Notes (albeit without much of an advantage over it)
>I have no confidence whatsoever in the dev’s ability to continue to
>offer the current plan with this low one-time price. They will either
>need to restrict cloud storage (or charge for it beyond a certain point,
>or offload cloud storage to a user’s choice of pay-cloud), change to a
>subscription model (like virtually every other writing, notetaking or
>task management app with proprietary cloud), or are aiming to sell the
>product to a larger company… who will make one of the above choices.