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Posted by washere
Sep 21, 2021 at 02:26 PM
Because:
References were asked & false assurances were made.
References were provided. Data needs to go to Vietnam for whatever period of time by any Cyber company there. They were ignored.
False assurances were shown to be easily full of holes.
Cases were referenced where Vietnamese companies hack their foreign users’ encrypted database personal data.
And because it is not a democracy but a ruthless dictatorship (as Amnesty International points out to their Cyberforce even illegal hacking of activists online, NVM non-stop data theft from the west):
NO ACTION IS TAKEN: because such companies share the mined data with the regime intel forces AS THEIR LAW DICTATES.
NO ACTION CAN BE TAKEN: it is not like you can sue a company in a western democracy, you can’t. Not such proper legal territory.
Other points were evaded:
Who is/are the company actual owners’ & their relationship to the dominant web of regime business networks, specially in Cybersecurity area there.
He says don’t worry and you can trust your governmental organization data with them, as with your sensitive business/research secret data.
Same with his assurances:
The app will not see your data before encrypting. The app sees your data the second you type it.
etc etc.
10 categories of points totally evaded.
“[Enterprises] providing services on telecommunication networks or the internet and value-added services in cyberspace in Vietnam must store such data [here] for a period specified by the government.
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And soon much more stringent:
Ask stated above in their law in black and white and plain language plus Cyber security articles warn, any company with any internet activity dealing with online data (like Upnote) that is based in Vietnam (like Upnote) must:
Transfer the data their products deal with to Vietnam
For whatever period of time the related Commission stipulates for that company (open ended)
So they can inspect it
BTW indexing data into personal files is very easy as numerous data mining software does, for numerous marketing companies. Personal files are created by indexing names & emails & other details, takes a second, it is not even ai.
A major State-actor Cyberforce like Vietnam has access to much much more powerful tools, codes (legit + dark), legions of coders & operators. Consult an expert in this area if you or your superior needs to, some are free governmental services. Do not take the word of some anon online or a man in a bar that you are perfectly safe and cheers to the next round.
If you are in a western democracy and do upload your secret/patents/research in the business, industry & academic areas or governmental organizational data to them and get into difficulties later, I guess you can only defend yourself by providing a reference to Satis saying he assured you that your sensitive data would be perfectly safe. Good luck with that.
Appeal case closed too.
Posted by satis
Sep 21, 2021 at 02:34 PM
I see you’re grasping here. You quote from a draft decree from February - which apparently was not implemented, since you haven’t shown it to have been passed - specifically relating to Vietnamese citizens data, and which has nothing to do with encrypted data held outside the country belonging to non-Vietnamese citizens.
If you want to continued to hold unproven or poorly sourced beliefs based on misunderstandings that’s your choice.
Posted by satis
Sep 21, 2021 at 02:44 PM
Ken wrote:
> I decided to install Upnote on my desktop Win10 PC.
>They do not offer the traditional d/l file so I can install the program
>myself, so I used the Windows store for the first time. What I cannot
>figure out is how I can either reinstall, and more importantly,
>uninstall the program.
You should be able to uninstall any Windows Store apps from the Start menu: Right-click on it, click Uninstall, and that’s it.
Another method to uninstalling Microsoft Store apps is by doing it through your Windows Settings: press the Windows + I key combination then click on the Apps tile. This will take you to a page that, if you scroll down, has a long list of all of the applications installed on your PC. There’s also a search field so you can easily filter and find the application you may be looking for. Clicking on any application in this list will unveil the Move and Uninstall buttons for it.
Posted by washere
Sep 21, 2021 at 03:18 PM
To anyone being misled:
The Feb draft is the further stricter software laws to be passed before year ends. It is much larger. It is what was referred to twice as stricter laws, and linked.
Further, it is part of a much bigger bundle of laws which affects also hardware spying (servers, DNS, etc) and concerning any company having anything to do with internet. That was also linked. There will not be any opposition and they will pass as usual because it is the authoritarian norm & procedure there.
However the law I quoted in link 2 and whose sentence was quoted several times is not a 20201 draft, and leaves no doubt.
Any company registered within Vietnam, having anything to do with internet & online data for their users, has to transfer that data from external servers to Vietnam.
And hand it over to the the regime appropriate Cyber security commission for whatever period they stipulate.
It has been in effect as Vietnamese regime’s Cybersecurty law since 2018, it is not a draft.
For the record.
Posted by satis
Sep 21, 2021 at 04:01 PM
To those reading: note that the proposed regulations still only relate to Vietnamese citizens’ personal data. Hard to say why Washere is blind to this. Confirm for yourself.