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Posted by Maurice Parker
May 27, 2024 at 04:38 PM
Bill, it should have given you a row per paragraph if you are in Outline Mode. If you are in Edit Mode and the cursor is in a Topic, Zavala will paste the whole thing in a single Row.
I have Moby Dick in an OPML file if you need it. Just email me. Zavala handles it easily when using the Local Account. Scrolling is very smooth. When you import it into the iCloud Account, you will hit the 750 row limit that iCloud imposes.
Thanks for the feedback on my Typewriter mode implementation.
Posted by MadaboutDana
May 28, 2024 at 08:43 AM
Ah yes, of course – I’d totally forgotten about Outline mode! I’ll give that a go straight away!
Cheers!
Bill
Maurice Parker wrote:
Bill, it should have given you a row per paragraph if you are in Outline
>Mode. If you are in Edit Mode and the cursor is in a Topic, Zavala will
>paste the whole thing in a single Row.
>
>I have Moby Dick in an OPML file if you need it. Just email me. Zavala
>handles it easily when using the Local Account. Scrolling is very
>smooth. When you import it into the iCloud Account, you will hit the 750
>row limit that iCloud imposes.
>
>Thanks for the feedback on my Typewriter mode implementation.
Posted by robertom
May 30, 2024 at 12:07 PM
Hi Maurice,
Congratulations on Zavala! I’ve been using outliners for a long time, and Zavala just feels… right! It’s a pleasure to write with it.
But I have a question. When I split a paragraph with subtopics, the new line appears after the subtopics at the same hierarchical level as the paragraph.
Instead, I think the new line should be the first subtopic because it is still connected to the paragraph. When it goes to the end of a list of topics, I have to stop and put it in the right order.
However, maybe others prefer it the current way and I’m just mistaken.
Cheers,
Roberto
Posted by satis
May 30, 2024 at 02:17 PM
robertom wrote:
>When I split a paragraph with subtopics, the new
>line appears after the subtopics at the same hierarchical level as the
>paragraph.
>
>Instead, I think the new line should be the first subtopic
All outliners I’ve used split the current row at the insertion point to create a row at the same level as the original line. Have you used an outliner that works differently?
One partial exception is OmniOutliner, in which the default is for new to indent via Return as subtopics **only** if there are children attached. (And you can switch that off via the radio button to Always at the same level.)
Posted by Maurice Parker
May 30, 2024 at 05:07 PM
I had originally thought that it didn’t make sense to allow Splits and Joins to happen across different levels. Roberto’s question got me thinking and I’ve since changed my mind.
I think it is more consistent for Split to work the same as Add Row Below. The rules for Add Row Below is that if there is no child Row, then add the Row at the current level. If there is a child Row, but the current Row is collapsed, then add at the current level. If there is a child Row and the current Row is expanded, then add as the first child Row of the current Row.
This sounds very close to what Satis describes for OmniOutliner. I don’t have an OmniOutliner license, so I can’t be sure.
Since the last rule contradicts my idea of restricting Splits and Joins across levels, I think all Splits and Joins should work across levels. Just trying to be as consistent as possible.
The current Zavala build in TestFlight has this change in it. https://testflight.apple.com/join/iFbND23m
I’d appreciate it if people would test the behavior and see if it is more natural feeling than before. I’d also appreciate just any testing. I knocked this out kind of fast when I should have been doing something else. Something could have broke. I’ll test more extensively when I get a chance, but any help here would be greatly appreciated.