logseq.com looks like it is still in early development, but worth keeping an eye on. Bullet lists, backlinks, markdown, syncs with Github, etc. (Not everything is working right yet.)

This looked good to me so I downloaded it when this thread was made, but haven't had time to play with it.

Would be nice to have all the Roam Research alts in one place, like Luhmann's Roam Research-like knowledge manages thread. But the links might get buried in discussion.

Or even better a fast one page blog (blogger or WordPress). Or even faster a pastebin page which takes no time at all (to edit needs registering, can setup a fast email account eg: mail.com) or other pastebin alternatives. Then can make a new thread here with that blog/pastebin link in OP, listing all the Roam-like alts. I lost count how many there are now.

Hope to play with this one next weekend.

The closest thing I know of to such a list is this one:

https://www.notion.so/Artificial-Brain-Networked-notebook-app-a131b468fc6f43218fb8105430304709

But I personally would like a list that worked more like this one:

https://brettterpstra.com/ios-text-editors/

I love how easy it is to filter the list...

Luhmann wrote:

The closest thing I know of to such a list is this one:

https://www.notion.so/Artificial-Brain-Networked-notebook-app-a131b468fc6f43218fb8105430304709

But I personally would like a list that worked more like this one:

https://brettterpstra.com/ios-text-editors/

I love how easy it is to filter the list...

Thanks, my main point was your suggestions of Roam/obsidian-like alternatives is being lost across threads and being buried in between comments.

And make a fresh thread with a few external links (as some online boats will go out of business) in the OP of that new thread. As can't edit posts here. So your list of alternatives can be accessed and updated by you in those external links.

This can be a blog, or a simple pastebin page as I said, or somewhere in between like a shared workflowy or dynalist list or similar. The few other alternative lists on other websites are already dated and I think you're the best man for the job, not just here but online too. It will bring new users to the forum too as they Google.

Gboard typo:

> some online boats

some online boards

Hi, I've tried to keep a list here, but in part it's a list of lists: http://www.loosewireblog.com/2020/07/directory-of-note-taking-apps.html

washere wrote:

This looked good to me so I downloaded it when this thread was made, but
haven't had time to play with it.

Would be nice to have all the Roam Research alts in one place, like
Luhmann's Roam Research-like knowledge manages thread. But the links
might get buried in discussion.

Or even better a fast one page blog (blogger or WordPress). Or even
faster a pastebin page which takes no time at all (to edit needs
registering, can setup a fast email account eg: mail.com) or other
pastebin alternatives. Then can make a new thread here with that
blog/pastebin link in OP, listing all the Roam-like alts. I lost count
how many there are now.

Hope to play with this one next weekend.

loose wire wrote:

Hi, I've tried to keep a list here, but in part it's a list of lists:
http://www.loosewireblog.com/2020/07/directory-of-note-taking-apps.html

That's nice. The correct definition would be I guess apps with Backlinks & Transclusion, but most are using Roam Research Alternatives and Competitors is a good equivalent for Alternatives.

Dynalist added Backlinks as discussed here but I am not sure workflowy has yet.

There are many more like org-roam, Athens Research, logseq etc and several wiki ones too like tiddlywiki ikiwiki ..... No one is maintaining an active list of apps with Backlinks online though. Most lists are dated and incomplete. No one is maintaining an actively up to date list. That was my point. Pity.

A better phrase for Backlinking might be bi-directional linking, but that's not important.

I had roam team's offerings since early days but don't like them and stopped playing with it. I play with Obsidian though when have a few minutes, though as commercial very that might be restricted in future as a free local version with limits on features.

As I said before, a free open source version will emerge on GitHub and a mighty team will volunteer due to it's popularity as with other popular open source wares, ensuring it's mortality. But this might take a few years.

This logseq, Athens Research and foambubble which is also open source on GitHub are worth keeping an eye on. But I suspect we might see a completely new one on GitHub in the next year or two with early incomplete versions that will be the one in three or four years time, it's wait and see now, who knows, let's see.

Thanks again.

https://nesslabs.com/roam-research-alternatives

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/f0z6yd/open_source_alternatives_to_roam_research/

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/f0z6yd/open_source_alternatives_to_roam_research/

https://www.outlinersoftware.com/topics/viewt/9033/10

>commercial very

commercial version

For me, "block referencing" is as important as backlinks and transclusion. This is for me where markdown based Roam competitors fall short, since the best they can do is reference a section by the header. There are very few options that have all three: block reference, backlinks, and transclusion. It is interesting to look at the obsidian forms in this regard. Those who have come from zettelkasten are quite satisified, since they tend to take short notes, thus each note is a block. However, those who come from Roam, tend to be frustrated at the lack of granularity within large documents. There are some very interesting discussions on the Obsidian forums about various workarounds, but I'm not very hopeful that they will ever have true block referencing on the paragraph level like Roam.

I'd be curious to read somewhere about why block referencing is so important. I'm sure it is...I just don't understand it. Thanks to any who have some resources on this!

Luhmann wrote:

For me, "block referencing" is as important as backlinks and
transclusion. This is for me where markdown based Roam competitors fall
short, since the best they can do is reference a section by the header.
There are very few options that have all three: block reference,
backlinks, and transclusion. It is interesting to look at the obsidian
forms in this regard. Those who have come from zettelkasten are quite
satisified, since they tend to take short notes, thus each note is a
block. However, those who come from Roam, tend to be frustrated at the
lack of granularity within large documents. There are some very
interesting discussions on the Obsidian forums about various
workarounds, but I'm not very hopeful that they will ever have true
block referencing on the paragraph level like Roam.

I don't know if this post helps answer your question?

https://anthrodendum.org/2020/05/05/roam-if-you-want-to/

JakeBernsteinWA wrote:

I'd be curious to read somewhere about why block referencing is so
important. I'm sure it is...I just don't understand it. Thanks to any
who have some resources on this!