I was going through my old files and found a MACWORLD pdf from 1993
which had an ad from Inspiration, showing off its
outliner-to-mindmap-and-back feature and I'm still a little shocked that
all these years later we never got this in a modern app. Or ever got
cloning copied from Dave winer's MORE implementation of it form 1986.
(Well, that dev did put it in Frontier years later, but he never
properly marketed that app, which wasn't a real outliner anyway.)

Mutter. Mutter.

I used MindNode for a while. It has an outline mode, but it has the look of an afterthought.

I use MindNode mainly because it's dead simple and has color-coded tags. But since 2014 iThoughts has offered real-time edits between itself and Marked2, where Marked2 shows outline previews of mindmaps (which can then be saved out in different formats). MindNode later gained a somewhat more convoluted ability to do the same thing (last time I tried it you needed to manually implement sync) but the iThoughts implementation is better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zstc4JBVUm4

And iThoughts has fishbone diagrams, which I tend to prefer.

So Omni has just moved OmniOutliner, and all its apps, to subscription pricing.

OmniOutliner is now available for one price to unlock on Mac/iPhone/iPad, for US $4.99/month, or $49.99/year.

https://store.omnigroup.com/omnioutliner

As someone who'd purchased the software before it jumped in price a year ago (I think Mac/iOS Pro-unlock was $70 before Omni hiked it to $150), I'm not sure how I feel about this. OmniOutliner seems more like a decision to implement me-too pricing to its other products, as the big news today was actually the introduction of OmniPlan 4, and its subscription model.

https://www.omnigroup.com/blog/introducing-omniplan-4-for-mac

satis wrote:

So Omni has just moved OmniOutliner, and all its apps, to subscription
pricing.

OmniOutliner is now available for one price to unlock on
Mac/iPhone/iPad, for US $4.99/month, or $49.99/year.

https://store.omnigroup.com/omnioutliner

As someone who'd purchased the software before it jumped in price a year
ago (I think Mac/iOS Pro-unlock was $70 before Omni hiked it to $150),
I'm not sure how I feel about this. OmniOutliner seems more like a
decision to implement me-too pricing to its other products, as the big
news today was actually the introduction of OmniPlan 4, and its
subscription model.

https://www.omnigroup.com/blog/introducing-omniplan-4-for-mac

The upgrade from OmniPlan 2 Pro to 3 Pro cost me $84.99. An upgrade to 4 Pro would cost me $199. Ouch!

There *might* be a discount available. I don't own OmniPlan but at https://store.omnigroup.com/omniplan there's the link "Register your license to receive discounts"

Otherwise yes, v.4 is either $200 for the 'traditional' standard version ($400 for Pro) or $200/year for an unlocked Mac/iPad/iPhone subscription.

I'm good with OmniOutliner, since there's no new version and no reason to choose to switch to a subscription.

satis wrote:

There *might* be a discount available. I don't own OmniPlan but at
https://store.omnigroup.com/omniplan there's the link "Register your
license to receive discounts"

Otherwise yes, v.4 is either $200 for the 'traditional' standard version
($400 for Pro) or $200/year for an unlocked Mac/iPad/iPhone
subscription.

I'm good with OmniOutliner, since there's no new version and no reason
to choose to switch to a subscription.

Thanks, satis. What I quoted were discounted upgrade costs, obtained by registering as you suggest. The only wrinkle is that the earlier figure also included an educational discount to which I was entitled, which the later figure does not; I've yet to discover whether OmniGroup is still offering educational discounts.

I looked on Twitter and apparently Omni didn't think in its rollout to tell people that the URL of its Edu store moved. It's now:

https://legacy.store.omnigroup.com/edu

Newly-purchased basic OP licenses are $120, Pro licenses are $240, and upgrades are $60-$120.

satis wrote:

I looked on Twitter and apparently Omni didn't think in its rollout to
tell people that the URL of its Edu store moved. It's now:

https://legacy.store.omnigroup.com/edu

Newly-purchased basic OP licenses are $120, Pro licenses are $240, and
upgrades are $60-$120.

Ah! Thanks for the guidance!