No, they don't say that outright, but with the dramatic price increase last year (from $60 to $100 for the unlocked Mac app, from $20 to $50 for the iOS app), plus the 2020 roadmap not mentioning a single new feature for the app, it looks like they're uninterested in new customers.

https://www.omnigroup.com/blog/omni-roadmap-2020

It's a stable, powerful app, but it's clunky, and with the exception of columns I think I'm going to have to look at alternatives.

Satis,
Take a look at SheetPlanner. We have an amazing roadmap that goes way beyond anything available today.

2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.

Thanks,
Peter

satis wrote:

No, they don't say that outright, but with the dramatic price increase
last year (from $60 to $100 for the unlocked Mac app, from $20 to $50
for the iOS app), plus the 2020 roadmap not mentioning a single new
feature for the app, it looks like they're uninterested in new
customers.

https://www.omnigroup.com/blog/omni-roadmap-2020

It's a stable, powerful app, but it's clunky, and with the exception of
columns I think I'm going to have to look at alternatives.

I could live without OmniOutliner. Curio has been a real delight to use in recent weeks, but outlining can be done a lot of different ways. The columns in OO are nice, but I end up not using them much.

I've got something going at the moment that I outlined in OO, but I've also been thinking about migrating away from it. OmniGroup seems to have forgotten it's there, and I don't really need a separate outlining tool. At one point I thought it was pretty cool, but I've started thinking in simpler terms.

SheetPlanner wrote:

Satis,
Take a look at SheetPlanner. We have an amazing roadmap that goes way
beyond anything available today.

2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.

Thanks,
Peter

Wow - that's a nice looking application. I need to check that out. Is it dependent on cloud services? For some reason, having to sync to the clouds is off-putting to me.

satis wrote:
No, they don't say that outright, but with the dramatic price increase
>last year (from $60 to $100 for the unlocked Mac app, from $20 to $50
>for the iOS app), plus the 2020 roadmap not mentioning a single new
>feature for the app, it looks like they're uninterested in new
>customers.
>
>https://www.omnigroup.com/blog/omni-roadmap-2020
>
>It's a stable, powerful app, but it's clunky, and with the exception of
>columns I think I'm going to have to look at alternatives.

Amontillado,
Its a native Mac app. Documents can reside on a local drive or on cloud storage. Not dependent on cloud but can leverage cloud storage.

Version 2 will support multiple outlines (or as we call them 'sheets' in the same document with a sidebar and folders to organize them, plus syncing between devices and much more robust printing.

The standard edition which is what is available now is a one time purchase. At a future date when we release a collaboration version we might consider a subscription model but that's yet to be determined.

Check out SheetPlanner on the Mac App Store. You can download a 21 day trial and then pay $49.95 in the US if you want to purchase it to keep using the app after the trial expires.
Regards,
Peter

Amontillado wrote:

SheetPlanner wrote:
Satis,
>Take a look at SheetPlanner. We have an amazing roadmap that goes way
>beyond anything available today.
>
>2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>

Wow - that's a nice looking application. I need to check that out. Is it
dependent on cloud services? For some reason, having to sync to the
clouds is off-putting to me.

>satis wrote:
>No, they don't say that outright, but with the dramatic price increase
>>last year (from $60 to $100 for the unlocked Mac app, from $20 to $50
>>for the iOS app), plus the 2020 roadmap not mentioning a single new
>>feature for the app, it looks like they're uninterested in new
>>customers.
>>
>>https://www.omnigroup.com/blog/omni-roadmap-2020
>>
>>It's a stable, powerful app, but it's clunky, and with the exception
of
>>columns I think I'm going to have to look at alternatives.

Ugh, please no. Not another zombie subscription. You're killing us. My interest in your promise of new features vanished when I read "we might consider a subscription". I'll pay for upgrades or even if the dev is doing a super job I'll buy a new license if significant new value is provided in a new release. But I've banned new subscriptions.

@SheetPlanner wrote

The standard edition which is what is available now is a one time purchase. At a future date when we release a collaboration version we might consider a subscription model but that’s yet to be determined.

I'd be surprised and very sorry if OmniOutliner were frozen for good (but I think that the headline of this thread will not help its prospects).

My outsider's impression (and it is only an impression) is that the Omni Group's development team's efforts switch from application to application within its portfolio. This year may not be the turn of OO. I think a similar pause happened four or five years ago.

Paul,
To be clear, I was referring to a future 'Pro' version of SheetPlanner and not the current 'Standard' shipping version.

A 'Pro' or 'Teams' version will include collaboration and will either be a higher price point or a subscription.

I am inclined to want the revenue upfront to offset development costs and so a subscription for 'Pro' is unlikely, but still possible.

Like you, I think there is subscription fatigue.....
Peter


Paul Korm wrote:

Ugh, please no. Not another zombie subscription. You're killing us.
My interest in your promise of new features vanished when I read "we
might consider a subscription". I'll pay for upgrades or even if the
dev is doing a super job I'll buy a new license if significant new value
is provided in a new release. But I've banned new subscriptions.

@SheetPlanner wrote
>The standard edition which is what is available now is a one time
purchase. At a future date when we release a collaboration version we
might consider a subscription model but that’s yet to be
determined.

So you're representing SheetPlanner as an alternative to OmniOutliner? From your promotional material and the reviews I've read, it looks to me like an innovative project planning tool with some simple outlining capabilities, but not an industrial strength outliner like OmniOutliner.

Hugh wrote:

I'd be surprised and very sorry if OmniOutliner were frozen for good
(but I think that the headline of this thread will not help its
prospects).

I certainly hope it's not frozen for good. It's near the top of my most important applications list. It allows me to maintain and organize information more efficiently and effectively than anything else out there right now. The only true competitor I know of was Circus Ponies Notebook, and it's history.

Also, responding to a previous comment, I find it to be anything but "clunky".

Hey Bob,
I have not done a comparative analysis of Omni Outliner and SheetPlanner but from my perspective the Outlining capabilities of SP are pretty robust.

Are there specific features in OO that you would like to see in SP?

Peter



Bob Spies wrote:

So you're representing SheetPlanner as an alternative to OmniOutliner?
From your promotional material and the reviews I've read, it looks to me
like an innovative project planning tool with some simple outlining
capabilities, but not an industrial strength outliner like OmniOutliner.

SheetPlanner wrote:

Hey Bob,
I have not done a comparative analysis of Omni Outliner and SheetPlanner
but from my perspective the Outlining capabilities of SP are pretty
robust.

Are there specific features in OO that you would like to see in SP?

Peter

Bob Spies wrote:
So you're representing SheetPlanner as an alternative to OmniOutliner?
>From your promotional material and the reviews I've read, it looks to
me
>like an innovative project planning tool with some simple outlining
>capabilities, but not an industrial strength outliner like
OmniOutliner.

I own licences for both SheetPlanner and OmniOutliner. In my view they are both excellent at what they do best. But what they do best are two different things. I would not for example want to use SP for outlining a novel or a long feature article (together with all sorts of annotations) prior to putting the outline into Scrivener, Ulysses or Word. I would also not want to use OO to plan the scheduling of the writing of that novel, chapter by chapter, or that feature article, section by section (or for that matter, the timeline of a fictional narrative or a factual argument). But I might well use SP for such purposes.

SheetPlanner wrote:

T
2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.

Thanks,
Peter

Any plans for an iOS version ?

Good point. macOS-only is a significant limitation for this kind of application.

Skywatcher wrote:

SheetPlanner wrote:

>T
>2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>

Any plans for an iOS version ?

Or a Windows version...

Paul Korm wrote:

Good point. macOS-only is a significant limitation for this kind of
application.

Skywatcher wrote:

>
>SheetPlanner wrote:
>
>>T
>>2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Peter
>>
>
>Any plans for an iOS version ?

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tightbeam wrote:

Or a Windows version...

Paul Korm wrote:
Good point. macOS-only is a significant limitation for this kind of
>application.
>
>Skywatcher wrote:
>
>>
>>SheetPlanner wrote:
>>
>>>T
>>>2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Peter
>>>
>>
>>Any plans for an iOS version ?

Hugh,
Thanks for being a customer. We appreciate your business.

Good point, there are definitely use cases that SheetPlanner is better suited for and vice versa but we do plan to keep enhancing SheetPlanner such that its use cases expand and it becomes a key application for many types of user data.

In the 2.0 release where we allow users to organize multiple sheets in a single document you will see the start of this journey as people centralize multiple outlines and later other types of data....

Peter


Hugh wrote:

SheetPlanner wrote:
Hey Bob,
>I have not done a comparative analysis of Omni Outliner and
SheetPlanner
>but from my perspective the Outlining capabilities of SP are pretty
>robust.
>
>Are there specific features in OO that you would like to see in SP?
>
>Peter

>
>
>Bob Spies wrote:
>So you're representing SheetPlanner as an alternative to OmniOutliner?
>>From your promotional material and the reviews I've read, it looks to
>me
>>like an innovative project planning tool with some simple outlining
>>capabilities, but not an industrial strength outliner like
>OmniOutliner.

I own licences for both SheetPlanner and OmniOutliner. In my view they
are both excellent at what they do best. But what they do best are two
different things. I would not for example want to use SP for outlining a
novel or a long feature article (together with all sorts of annotations)
prior to putting the outline into Scrivener, Ulysses or Word. I would
also not want to use OO to plan the scheduling of the writing of that
novel, chapter by chapter, or that feature article, section by section
(or for that matter, the timeline of a fictional narrative or a factual
argument). But I might well use SP for such purposes.

Skywatcher,

We plan to begin on iOS development after this years WWDC.

Thanks,
Peter


Skywatcher wrote:

SheetPlanner wrote:

>T
>2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>

Any plans for an iOS version ?

Tightbeam,
We will have to get iOS completed before considering a Windows app....
Peter

tightbeam wrote:

Or a Windows version...

Paul Korm wrote:
Good point. macOS-only is a significant limitation for this kind of
>application.
>
>Skywatcher wrote:
>
>>
>>SheetPlanner wrote:
>>
>>>T
>>>2.0 will be a huge and free update in April or May.
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Peter
>>>
>>
>>Any plans for an iOS version ?

One thing I've found limiting with OmniFocus is everything goes in out database. I like to have separate task/to-do lists. For instance, if I'm working on a technical document, it's nice to have a separate to-do list just for it. I know I need to work on it, I don't need 20 to-do tasks in my main task list. I prefer a to-do file in the file folder (or Devonthink file) for the project.

Also, a long time ago I was so desperate for a timeline utility, I bought the overpriced Timeline Maker Pro application. It was OK, and I liked the spreadsheet event entry it featured. I moved from there to Aeon Timeline, which I've had good luck with - but I don't use it often.

Sheetplanner looks like it could handle both my timeline and my task list needs. It sure looks nice.

SheetPlanner wrote:

Satis,
Take a look at SheetPlanner. We have an amazing roadmap that goes way
beyond anything available today.

I'm a registered user of both apps. SheetPlanner is nothing like OO, and there's no way I could do extended writing as I've done for years with OO.

Satis,
Thanks for being a customer!
Peter

satis wrote:

SheetPlanner wrote:
>Satis,
>Take a look at SheetPlanner. We have an amazing roadmap that goes way
>beyond anything available today.

I'm a registered user of both apps. SheetPlanner is nothing like OO, and
there's no way I could do extended writing as I've done for years with
OO.

Alas, I would have to agree that SheetPlanner isn’t optimised for writing. It’s a great general outliner and planner, but you can’t input lots of text easily - in this respect, it’s much more similar to a spreadsheet than to OmniOutliner.

Not that I use OmniOutliner any more. I’ve experimented with it over and over again, but no, it annoys me too much - not least because it’s so slow (with big documents). It’s a shame, because before I moved over to macOS, it was OmniOutliner that shone beacon-like before me as the perfect example of an app the Windows ecosystem simply didn’t have…

However, there are loads of alternatives nowadays, although none of them(?) have the useful columns feature. Apart from SheetPlanner - but see above re: writing…

Cheers!
Bill

I'm curious - what are you using now? I'm trying to decide if I want to wean myself off OmniOutliner Pro.

I remain intrigued by Sheetplanner. It's quick and handy for entering tasks.

Thinking about uses, it might be good for logging. Enter a task with predicted duration (or zero duration). When you check it off, the completion date appears in the timeline. Might be a nice way to keep a journal of how things were finished.

As for writing, I can see how it could be used as an outliner, and it might be easier than it first appears. In this regard, it's like what I discovered with Curio. At first I thought its mind maps wouldn't be much of a replacement for Mind Node, then I discovered you can add a note to just about anything, including nodes in a mind map. Sometimes applications don't document how general features apply to specific cases.

Using Sheetplanner as an OmniOutliner replacement may not be to everyone's taste, but it's possible.

Open a blank Sheetplanner file. You can't delete the start and finish date columns, but you can hide them. Turn off the completion checkboxes.

Type your first entry title, just like in OO. Hit command-' to start entering the note attachment, just like OO.

In OO, you hit command-enter to stop typing the note, and enter again to initiate the next topic entry.

In Sheetplanner, command-' toggles in and out of note mode. Toggle out of the note and hit enter to start a topic below, or shift-enter to start a top above the current entry.

I wish I could turn the grid lines off, but I'm not excessively annoyed. I don't outline for publication, anyway. In my usage, outlines are notes, not polished things.

Where Sheetplanner might actually be better than OO is that you can put start and finish dates on each topic. Now you have an outline with a timeline.

Aeon Timeline will do more with timeline data than Sheetplanner, but for getting started and quick entry of ideas, SP's timeline might be useful.

I haven't bought a license yet, but I plan to. My uses will be for per-project to-do lists, possibly some project planning, probably some project logging, and I'm a little disenchanted with OmniOutliner. OO seems to be dying on the vine.

I also note that it works OK to export a Sheetplanner file to OPML, pandoc it to docx, and import to Nisus Writer. The topic titles are formatted with proper heading styles, and the notes appear in the document in the right places.

Like Curio's mind mapping, Sheetplanner looks more like an OO replacement than I thought on first glance. Life could go on without OO.