What is a good investment between these four systems (or if there is more)

Dynalist
WorkFlowy
Moo.do
Checkvist

I prefer
1-good desktop app
2- good ios app
3- good sync
4-cost not a problem if really good service

I recommend 2Do, Todoist, or Things for managing tasks. I prefer 2Do because I depend on features like separate start dates and due dates which are not handled as well by any other system I've tried. Todoist is best if you need to collaborate with others. Things is best if your needs are a little simpler and you value nice design and automation.

Also I prefer software that work on both windows and iOS

Ahmed fawzy wrote:

What is a good investment between these four systems (or if there is
more)

Dynalist
WorkFlowy
Moo.do
Checkvist

I prefer
1-good desktop app
2- good ios app
3- good sync
4-cost not a problem if really good service

I just gave Microsoft ToDo another try.
It is cross platform, including a browser-based Outlook Web Access integration that I wasn't previously aware of (cf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-MH9hBJ4Q ); this includes "time boxing" of tasks via drag & drop (see video).

What is compelling:
- Reasonably clean, fast task entry
- enough ways to focus and sort (e.g. use Star to indicate "current work" or "high priority" across lists and collect dynamically in one "Important" list, use My Day for deadline driven view
- Full integration with Outlook tasks, i.e. sync across Microsoft ToDo, Outlook, Planner, Teams, MindManager (!) - across all devices; there are also a gazillion other tools that sync with Outlook tasks, which becomes the conduit for ToDo
- Tasks flow seamlessly between Outlook and ToDo, including option to immediately who flagged emails as tasks
- Shared task lists (with my team who have Office 365)
- No compliance problems to use at work, because it is part of Office 365 ...
- in many cases no $, including no cost for synchronization (... if you have Office 365)
- the task infrastructure below it will survive for a long time - vs. taking the bet on small independent developers

Not so great (today)
- absence of customizable keyboard shortcuts, too few shortcuts, no system-wide rapid task entry or web page to task conversion
- no complex organization - you get lists, tasks, and one level of steps within tasks (ability to do more complex work in Planner looks promising, though, but 2 years ago when I first tried to use it I hated Planner; have to check if/how much it has improved)
- requires Microsoft ecosystem, not so exciting if you rely on Google or other collaboration tools

I've worked with both dynalist and workflwy.

I've even tried to move my GTD setup to Dynalist once. But after a few weeks I've felt that neither Dynalist or Workflowy are great to work on mobile.

They are great on desktop. After that I've abandoned both, and, like a good CRIMPer, I've been playing with Workflowy again. But I go there just when I'm ina computer with a full keyboard and browser. And I'm using workflowy just to put down very loosely some notes and thoughts when a I feel stuck. I gives me peace to stare at workflowy, but anything relevant written there is going to another place sooner or later.

I found Checkvist a good online outliner, but has no mobile app, although the mobile version of the site works very well ...

I don't think these outliner-type apps are ideal for task management. They can be shoehorned to do so, but I prefer a straight task manager that can directly post dated/timed events right into my calendar.

I agree with this. "Dedicated" task managers such as 2Do or Todoist are more useful for "tasks".

It's a good idea to step back and think about what your "task management" needs are. There's a big difference between planning and tracking a project with lots of subtasks, dates, and actions to perform in sequence -- versus capturing and tracking an unrelated or loosely-related group of actions. Some of the angst of choosing the software that works best is due to trying to shoehorn the "list of unrelated tasks" scenario into software that was built for the "project management" scenario.

satis wrote:

I don't think these outliner-type apps are ideal for task management.
They can be shoehorned to do so, but I prefer a straight task manager
that can directly post dated/timed events right into my calendar.

Paul Korm wrote:

I agree with this. "Dedicated" task managers such as 2Do or Todoist are
more useful for "tasks".

It's a good idea to step back and think about what your "task
management" needs are. There's a big difference between planning and
tracking a project with lots of subtasks, dates, and actions to perform
in sequence -- versus capturing and tracking an unrelated or
loosely-related group of actions. Some of the angst of choosing the
software that works best is due to trying to shoehorn the "list of
unrelated tasks" scenario into software that was built for the "project
management" scenario.

satis wrote:
I don't think these outliner-type apps are ideal for task management.
>They can be shoehorned to do so, but I prefer a straight task manager
>that can directly post dated/timed events right into my calendar.

I couldn't agree more with this view. Task managers differ quite significantly in what they offer, often more so than first appears. So this is the approach I suggest: define your task-management needs first, then define what the functions and features of your "ideal" task manager would be (to handle those needs), and only then look carefully at the range of task managers available to you, to see whether they match up to those needs and that ideal. Finally, if you can, trial two or three applications that look likely candidates.

what OS community think, a 200 USD lifetime dynalist subscription worth it ?

As a hypothetical? Or is Dynalist making such an offer?

Since Dynalist comprises Erica and one other person, perhaps the question is can they keep at it for several more years -- enough to make the investment worthwhile?

Ahmed fawzy wrote:

what OS community think, a 200 USD lifetime dynalist subscription worth
it ?

Dynalist gave this offer

Paul Korm wrote:

As a hypothetical? Or is Dynalist making such an offer?

Since Dynalist comprises Erica and one other person, perhaps the
question is can they keep at it for several more years -- enough to make
the investment worthwhile?

Ahmed fawzy wrote:
what OS community think, a 200 USD lifetime dynalist subscription worth
>it ?

So, to continue playing 20 questions, do you have a link to this offer? There is nothing obvious on their website and no mention of the offer in their forum?

So, to continue playing 20 questions, do you have a link to this offer? There is nothing obvious on their website and no mention of the offer in their forum?

Offer in email not on site

Paul Korm wrote:

So, to continue playing 20 questions, do you have a link to this offer?
There is nothing obvious on their website and no mention of the offer in
their forum?

https://www.mylifeorganized.net/ is definitely worth trying out.

Ahmed fawzy wrote:

Offer in email not on site

If it's a general link post it.

At the current $90/yr, yes it's worth it.

At $45/yr (the Early Bird lock-in price from two summers ago) it would still be worth it.

So yes, I'd go for the deal. And you should post the link.

Also: that email deal offers interesting timing, as it's exactly a week since their one-year 50%-off Holiday deal ended. I'm guessing that not a lot of people took advantage this Xmas, and they want to reinvigorate their userbase (and cashflow).

I've had the free plan for over two years, and they haven't (yet) sent me that offer. Hm.

I don't think the $200 Dynalist offer exists. Maybe it existed in the past? But not now. A question about it posted there was deleted by the admins. I assume that means if they really wanted anyone to know about it then they wouldn't have removed the question.

They contacted me that offer is stopped after internal discussions between developers.

Paul Korm wrote:

I don't think the $200 Dynalist offer exists. Maybe it existed in the
past? But not now. A question about it posted there was deleted by the
admins. I assume that means if they really wanted anyone to know about
it then they wouldn't have removed the question.

Too bad. If I'd have gotten that email I would have signed up immediately. (And if they ever offered that lock-in price of $45/yr again I'd do that too.) But at current prices they're not getting my money. (shrug)

Erica from Dynalist here.

I want to clarify that we never actively sent out any lifetime offers; we only offered them when being asked. Sorry for the confusion in this thread; technically the offer is in an email, but unlike the Christmas promo we never actively sent them out.

Just want to reassure you that we don't send offers like this based on registration time or anything like that.

Thanks for the interest, everyone!


satis wrote:

Also: that email deal offers interesting timing, as it's exactly a week
since their one-year 50%-off Holiday deal ended. I'm guessing that not a
lot of people took advantage this Xmas, and they want to reinvigorate
their userbase (and cashflow).

I've had the free plan for over two years, and they haven't (yet) sent
me that offer. Hm.

For what it’s worth, I’d cast my vote for Things 3. It’s gorgeous. It’s so gorgeous.

But still only Mac and iOS which is a shame. Nothing like that on Windows.

Smithers wrote:

For what it’s worth, I’d cast my vote for Things 3.
It’s gorgeous. It’s so gorgeous.

This week came to my attention the App Marvin (https://www.amazingmarvin.com/

It is very complex, overwhelming maybe, and also a little pricey. But it can be configured the way you want, is possible to import Todoist, Toodlde, TickTick, OmniFocus tasks and can be configured to mimic the appearance of other apps, like Todoist and Things 3.

I have imported my Todoist tasks and it became very slow.... But anyway, it worth take a look.

Wow--- Marvin is pretty interesting! I'll have to give it a look.

Off-topic, perhaps, but I'm also intrigued by Roam Research.