"outliner mode" file manager

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Posted by jimspoon
Sep 16, 2019 at 05:28 PM

SmallDog wrote:
I wanted the same thing! And requested this feature on dopus forum
> >https://resource.dopus.com/t/feature-suggestion-outliner-view/31131
> >Not sure if they are gonna implement it though. But I did mention
>WizTree in that post which might be one more option you could check out

Thanks, SmallDog! I’m looking at your dopus forum post now! Great screenshot !!

Posted by jimspoon
Sep 16, 2019 at 05:42 PM

washere wrote:

>The OP had a thread a few days ago with 2 requests. 1) whose essence was
>ignored by others and himself later on was: to pull in multi txt files
>into a single big txt file editor. That’s ok. But he wanted the changes
>in editor to be reflected back in all constituent little txt files. I
>explained this will never happen. Why? Because you need invisible
>borders for each little file in the big file. OK!?!! But as I explained
>this is illogical as bits & chunks can get inter mingled and inter
>woven. Then what is written back to each little file? As they are
>interwoven by re-edits? Where do you put the invisible borders between
>little files in the big file & write what back to each little file? Of
>course, completely illogical, no reply given nor even acknowledgement so
>my reluctance to post even here.

I’ve replied in that thread, I don’t see how my suggestion was illogical.

>The 2nd request there was similar to this thread which has added further
>to that. I’ve tested dozens of apps in this genre and use about 5
>regularly, for different purposes. It in essence wanted a preview of
>those little txt files (yep they’re back). As I said there I myself have
>lots of them in my process. So I use quick preview, as he needs, myself
>regularly. I use an app to break large note files by whatever delimiter
>I set, into lots of little txt files. Then I use quick preview in other
>file manager apps.

As I mentioned in the other thread, I was specifically looking for a preview pane that was also an editor. I also use a number of apps with viewer panes.

>The other essential part of his request, jist of this thread, was to
>have keyboard shortcuts for most uses, switching panes & showing files/
>folders quickly etc etc by keyboard. I myself use keyboard shortcuts in
>most regular apps. Anyone who has coded expertly and fast or seen one in
>action knows what I mean. I asked him for what platform he wanted one,
>Windows Mac or Linux? Again no reply came.

Windows.

>This thread has gone into
>Miller columns which is ok by me. Usually I despise off topic
>divergences,

Posted by jimspoon
Sep 16, 2019 at 06:12 PM

Wow, that was a great post SmallDog. And one thing that surprised me was that you said that “dopus already has ‘manual positioning’” - I have not seen that before. And I wonder how it is implemented, since I don’t think there is any support for that in the underlying filesystem. Seems like Dopus would have to maintain the “ordering data” itself, in its own datastore.

I should clarify the use case I have particularly in mind. Often I have a bunch of uncategorized files in a folder, awaiting further categorization. And what I have in mind is creating first-level subfolders under that folder, and quickly placing the files into an appropriate first-level subfolder. It seems that the “outliner-mode” would be ideal for that. But perhaps not nearly so good as rearranging files in many widely-dispersed locations in the overall filesystem tree.

Posted by washere
Sep 16, 2019 at 10:14 PM

> jimspoon wrote:
>I’ve replied in that thread, I don’t see how my suggestion was
>illogical.
>

The impossible part of the request was live linking and updating the constituent small txt files as they can be interwoven. No AI rule based Expert System can decide because there is no logic to this, which bit goes to which file as many edits happen.

This was explained twice, your reply did not address this.

>As I mentioned in the other thread, I was specifically looking for a
>preview pane that was also an editor. I also use a number of apps with
>viewer panes.
>

Yes there are two genres possible, editors and file managers, some have a bit of the other too. I only preview subfolders with many txt files in the file managers, not heavy editing & outline structuring.

YMMV, good luck.

Posted by jimspoon
Sep 16, 2019 at 11:02 PM

washere wrote:

>The impossible part of the request was live linking and updating the
>constituent small txt files as they can be interwoven. No AI rule based
>Expert System can decide because there is no logic to this, which bit
>goes to which file as many edits happen.
> >This was explained twice, your reply did not address this.

I don’t understand what you mean by “interwoven”. If you move or copy text between the demarcations which mark the boundary between one file and another, and then are able to save each demarcated section to its respective source file, then I think I have what I’m looking for. And that part does not seem to be “impossible”, if I am correctly reading the help text for Depeche View, which I quoted already:

http://stahlworks.com/dev/doc/dviewhelp.html#Chapter_9_Pro_The_Integrated_Text_Editor

“While editing text, as soon as you typed in text changes,
you see two buttons at the right top, “Save” and “Revert”.

- when you click on “Save”, all changes of all edited files
are saved to disk, and all open editors are closed
(DView goes back to search mode).”

>Yes there are two genres possible, editors and file managers, some have
>a bit of the other too. I only preview subfolders with many txt files in
>the file managers, not heavy editing & outline structuring.
> >YMMV, good luck.

I understand that there are editors and file managers. I frequently use my file manager, Xplorer2, to view text files in the viewer pane. However, from that pane, I am unable to put that pane in an edit mode, so that I could make some quick changes, and then tab or return to the “file list” pane, with the quick edits I made to the text file being preserved. Doesn’t seem too unreasonable.

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