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Posted by Franz Grieser
Apr 29, 2019 at 02:36 PM
Skywatcher wrote:
>Perhaps you meant “That does not mean they do not treat all people
>equal” ?
Thanks for the correction. :-)
Posted by Simon
Apr 29, 2019 at 05:24 PM
Franz Grieser wrote:
>They have every right to decide which organisations they offer
>discounts.
>
>I’d say you’re mixing up things. They do not support certain
>organisations. That does not mean they treat all people equal. They do
>not treat all organisations equal.
>
Yes they do.
However, to state that you treat all people fair and equal and then not provide a discount based on an organisations ideology, is not treating all people equally. In this case if you are a registered charity in the area of human aid, you will receive a discount, but if you are a religious charity (also providing human aid), you will not receive a discount. That is not equal treatment and by definition classed as discrimination.
Posted by Skywatcher
Apr 29, 2019 at 05:43 PM
Simon wrote:
>
>Franz Grieser wrote:
>
>>They have every right to decide which organisations they offer
>>discounts.
>>
>
>>I’d say you’re mixing up things. They do not support certain
>>organisations. That does not mean they treat all people equal. They do
>>not treat all organisations equal.
>>
>
>Yes they do.
>
>However, to state that you treat all people fair and equal and then not
>provide a discount based on an organisations ideology, is not treating
>all people equally. In this case if you are a registered charity in the
>area of human aid, you will receive a discount, but if you are a
>religious charity (also providing human aid), you will not receive a
>discount. That is not equal treatment and by definition classed as
>discrimination.
Simon : I know you’re addressing Franz, but, although english isn’t my first language, I sense that the use of the word “people” here points to “individuals”. Organisations are usually not referred to as “people” although they consist of many people :-)
Also, nowhere do they say that they give discounts to all NPOs. They used the word “many”. This is what I see on their website :
“We try to treat all people fair and equal, whether they are our customers or not.
Our prices are reasonably calculated and not open to individual negotiations; we give discounts to students, educators, and many NPOs.”
Posted by Simon
Apr 29, 2019 at 06:12 PM
Whichever way you spin it, they have made a decision to treat specific groups of people differently when offering a discount. As it’s their company they are of course entitled to do so. However, by just about every dictionary you check, this behaviour is defined as discriminatory.
Posted by NickG
Apr 30, 2019 at 07:13 AM
1. “Discriminatory” is a very loaded term and, in my opinion, completely unfair. A commercial user could just as well argue that DT are “discriminating” against commercial organisations and people by not offering discounts available to students, educators and some other groups. Is “discriminating” against atheists and agnostics OK?
2. Skywatcher provided a very cogent and accurate explanation of how religious sentiment is treated differently in Europe compared to the USA. You will know that DT is a German company so it’s not surprising that they have a European sensibility in these things.
3. Maybe they’re just avoiding a risk. After all, they might get hammered if they were providing discounts to Muslim religious groups, given the proclivity of our media and politicians to equate “Muslim” with “terrorist”. They couldn’t get too far with a “some religious groups but not all” approach.
Simon wrote:
Whichever way you spin it, they have made a decision to treat specific
>groups of people differently when offering a discount. As it’s their
>company they are of course entitled to do so. However, by just about
>every dictionary you check, this behaviour is defined as discriminatory.
>