The Checklist Manifesto
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Posted by washere
May 8, 2019 at 11:49 PM
NickG wrote:
I must say that, as a relative newbie here, I’m finding this discussion
>a little peculiar. Checklists are a tool and, like all tools, they’re
>good for certain purposes (insert screamingly obvious analogy such as
>not using a hammer to saw wood).
>
>Also, like all tools, they need to be used well to give good results
>(develop screamingly obvious analogy about good saw but bad workman).
>
>I think there’s a potentially interesting debate about specific cases
>(“would a checklist be effective here?”) an d that may be part of what’s
>going on here, but there seem to be other debates mixed in with any one
>post at risk of being applied to multiple discussion strands, even if
>that wasn’t what the poster intended.
>
>I also seem to see some zero sum thinking - that to the extent that
>checklists are good or bad, they’re taking away or adding something to
>another toolset.
>
>I might have misunderstood - I confess I’m struggling to flow all the
>threads here - so please do feel free to say so if you think so
That is what I have been saying on this page & previous pages: Put most simply, Good (not bad) & one of many tools, etc. & still misrepresented 180 degrees in broad daylight. But this is the age of online personal attacks based on constant position flip-flops, misrepresentations, good=bad night=day banana=apple, nicknaming & name-calling, etc. etc. As seen in B&W text on this page. Not only unintelligent, but worse: Boring, really. And stopping conversation going into the actual academic level discussion of the interesting discipline. However that is what the new online world seems to be turning into. Shows how the dominant zeitgeist can change the easily impressionable into bad patterns of behavior.
Posted by washere
May 9, 2019 at 12:57 AM
Paul Korm wrote:
You hit the nail on the head @NickG. There’s a somewhat obscured point
>of view floating around inside this thread.
>
>NickG wrote:
>I must say that, as a relative newbie here, I’m finding this discussion
>>a little peculiar.
Paul, if you have something to say, be a man, and say it straight to me. Apart from personal stuff, I don’t see what you are criticizing me for? Lets get back on topic.
What sentence I have said in this thread about the topic you disagree with? I see nothing on that: on-topic issues.
Please quote my sentences about the topic in this thread you oppose and we can debate the actual issues.
Posted by Jeffery Smith
May 9, 2019 at 02:12 AM
This topic seems like a natural for this group. Checklists and outlines are not new innovations, but we tend to try to organize thoughts and tasks into those formats. My checklists are outlines (in Notetaker), and my project management tool is Sheetplanner, which is the same sort of paradigm. I tried Tree, but our horizontal writing is not so economical on a horizontal format.
I’m up to chapter 6 in Checklist Manifesto, and it is getting sort of wordy on the same sort of theme. I keep expecting him to go to the next quantum leap, but it hasn’t happened yet.
Posted by Donovan
May 9, 2019 at 03:38 AM
I’ve always seen this forum as a respite from the noise of anger and silliness on social media. What’s so triggering about disagreement that would cause you, washere, to post a link that I wasted my time clicking on, that is just Twitter-like silliness? You’ve been openly aggressive in other threads and I just move on. We’re discussing notes, outliners, software, notebooks, (and checklists), etc. Nothing about that should raise the blood pressure. Deep breath.
Posted by washere
May 9, 2019 at 04:58 AM
@Donovan So reading off-topic posts whose only content is personal attacks on me, just like you did yourself again, just pleased you and didn’t waste your time. I’m happy you’re happy as a result. Best wishes.