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Posted by Skywatcher
Apr 13, 2019 at 05:21 PM
I’ve just been dabbling with the new update and the new hyperbolic view is fantastic. It’s a bit similar to the main ( normal ) view in The Brain, and I’ve been waiting for years on TBX to have a similar view. IMO it increases Tinderbox’s usefulness tenfold when it comes to making sense of complex maps with a lot of links.
Best update in years…
Posted by Skywatcher
Apr 13, 2019 at 05:46 PM
... about Tinderbox’s complexity. I think it made big strides in user-friendliness and documentation these last years. I remember starting out in version 5 ( or 6 ? ) and it was a whole lot more infuriating and with a terrible manual that was all over the place. Simple things seemed incomprehensibly difficult, and I pretty much gave up on it after a first attempt. It was until I found Stephen Zeoli’s blog and his early tutorials that I had an “Aha !” moment and the more basic aspects of TBX started making sense. I’m still struggling with the more complex aspects and the scripting, but I’ve been putting it to good use since then.
I still think that the entry cost ( in terms of brainpower, not finances ) is quite high, and the temptation to use it for things that could be accomplished by simpler more focused applications is a mistake that can lead to frustration. I tried once to set it up as a GTD kind of system ( and it can certainly handle such use), but it just felt like using a jackhammer to put a nail in the wall. Setting up and maintaining the system took more time than executing the tasks. Using a specialized GTD app ended up being faster and more productive.
TBX shines for the more complex, abstract tasks like ” I have all these notes and thoughts and I’m not sure where I’m going with them ” and putting some order into chaos. The curve is not linear : you almost need to same amount of effort to do simple things as it is to do complex things. Of all the apps I use ( including many cited here like Devonthink, Scrivener, Curio ) it is by far the most complex one, and I only resort to it when I can’t accomplish what I need by simpler application.
Posted by Paul Korm
Apr 13, 2019 at 05:46 PM
Hyperbolic view is a case of this sort of graph
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbolic_tree
I believe it still somewhat experimental, meaning users will have cases that might not work well in hyperbolic view, and so feedback to Eastgate with examples will help shape the view as it morphs. I would guess pretty confidently that a significant portion of the features in different Tinderbox views, plus adjustments in action code, ability to “watch” documents in DEVONthink or Finder or Evernote, etc., result from customer-suggested additions or tweaks.
Eastgate added AppleScript support to Tinderbox 8—we can write scripts to create and update notes, now—because of user requests.
Skywatcher wrote:
I’ve just been dabbling with the new update and the new hyperbolic view
>is fantastic. It’s a bit similar to the main ( normal ) view in The
>Brain, and I’ve been waiting for years on TBX to have a similar view.
Posted by Beck
Apr 13, 2019 at 07:07 PM
Dellu wrote:
>just look at Beck’s videos…how much she wastes fixing this image or
>that map; adding prototypes or changing the color the note…..it is
>just waste of time.
>
>A focused academic would finish writing a journal article by the time I
>spend playing with Tinderbox. Tinderbox will not get me that job. The
>publication will.
This sort of comment does little to create a convivial or community-oriented space, which I presume is of benefit to both of us even if we don’t agree on what is or isn’t a waste of time. I don’t mind that we disagree — and even imagine that we could learn a lot from each other since we see some things quite differently — but I’m less likely to consider your point of view when it is communicated in a way that feels insulting.
Posted by Stephen Zeoli
Apr 13, 2019 at 07:50 PM
I concur with Beck.
Beck wrote:
Dellu wrote:
>>just look at Beck’s videos…how much she wastes fixing this image or
>>that map; adding prototypes or changing the color the note…..it is
>>just waste of time.
>>
>>A focused academic would finish writing a journal article by the time
>I
>>spend playing with Tinderbox. Tinderbox will not get me that job. The
>>publication will.
>
>This sort of comment does little to create a convivial or
>community-oriented space, which I presume is of benefit to both of us
>even if we don’t agree on what is or isn’t a waste of time. I don’t mind
>that we disagree — and even imagine that we could learn a lot from
>each other since we see some things quite differently — but I’m
>less likely to consider your point of view when it is communicated in a
>way that feels insulting.