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Posted by Jon Polish
Feb 11, 2019 at 01:20 PM
Agreed. WhizFolders is excellent for the uses you describe. I have used it for many years. Unless I misunderstand, WhizFolders does not handle attachments well. It is advised not to embed too many attachments because it slows the program down considerably. If I must have references to material in other files, I use links instead. When this is not an option (when I must have my references in one place), I rely on Scrivener.
Jon
washere wrote:
>Finally I recommend serious outliner fanatics to get Whizfolders for
>Windows too. It has many attachments and does not crash like others with
>complex attachments. It is useful for writing artciles, academic papers,
>outlines of ideas and stories etc.
Posted by washere
Feb 11, 2019 at 05:37 PM
Jon Polish wrote:
Agreed. WhizFolders is excellent for the uses you describe. I have used
>it for many years. Unless I misunderstand, WhizFolders does not handle
>attachments well. It is advised not to embed too many attachments
>because it slows the program down considerably. If I must have
>references to material in other files, I use links instead. When this is
>not an option (when I must have my references in one place), I rely on
>Scrivener.
>
>Jon
>
>washere wrote:
>>Finally I recommend serious outliner fanatics to get Whizfolders for
>>Windows too. It has many attachments and does not crash like others
>with
>>complex attachments. It is useful for writing artciles, academic
>papers,
>>outlines of ideas and stories etc.
>
Yes I use scrivener for very big projects too. What I meant by many was it supports many types, pictures tables spreadsheets etc as he uses OLE. Better practice is to have multi documents tabs, can link to reach other anyway.
Whiz is good for outlining and writing quick articles, then RTF export all our shaved topics & exit whiz. Then quickly convert RTF to markdown, takes a few seconds. Then depending on use, drop into one of my many site/wiki generators, which also takes only seconds with modern generators to update and generate the whole site and it’s live.
If I use OLE attachment types or links, it’s usually for reference while writing, not part of output. So no problems.
Posted by Jon Polish
Feb 11, 2019 at 05:44 PM
I see. Thank you for explaining.
Jon
Posted by washere
Feb 15, 2019 at 04:47 PM
Jon Polish wrote:
I see. Thank you for explaining.
>
>Jon
Pleasure. I don’t recommend new users to buy whizfolders though.
I’m moving off from Whizfolders. Well I actually have stopped.
It’s written in an ancient SDK.
Which is why essentially it’s dead and will only receive minor updates, nothing major as in others.
Converting RTF to markdown needs first converting to docx.
The similar software which is free, Atomic Scribbler outputs into docx, more efficient, nicer to use too and faster to create in.
Scribbler also has a modern user interface and is relatively new and unlike the dead-end whizfolders has a roadmap of major features planned.
Whizfolders will probably have minor tweaks but will slip back into abandonware phase again after minor cosmetics which will be it’s final resting place.
Because it’s easier to rewrite something in modern user interface than any major changes. Problem other apps like ConnectedTex are also facing. They’re essentially dead, not worth rewriting from scratch in modern interface classes. Whiz was a chunky minor app with better alternatives but ConnectedText is a tragedy. It was unique.
I suggest for people new to outlining on Windows to outline on NoteCase Pro, very cheap also free lite versions on many platforms. Then transfer notes further up.
For small articles or projects use free atomic scribbler, free.
For large projects, scrivener windows 3 beta is free, released every few months. To be released within a year. Will be relatively cheap, a must buy and will sync with their Mac version in a free cloud account too if using multi platforms like some of us.
Avoiding dying old SDK based apps is always good. Specially if they have been comatose abandonware recently. Also it’s much nicer to work in apps written in modern interfaces, because they’re much faster and more efficient and guaranteed major updates and features for years to come depending on developer’s roadmap.
If new to Windows outliners then can actually get free versions of below and when scrivener 3 is released for under fifty dollars or so, let’s face it you better buy it anyway.
https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40621
https://www.atomicscribbler.com
http://notecasepro.com/download.php
Posted by Jon Polish
Feb 15, 2019 at 05:32 PM
Isn’t the GTK used by NoteCase rather outdated too? It cannot do tables, struggles with encoding, web clips are not faithful, no numbered lists, etc. Even updating to GTK3 will not resolve most of these limitations (I could be wrong about this claim). Don’t misunderstand. I like NoteCase a lot and find it very useful. I imagine it is extremely appealing to those using multiple platforms, but I am just on Windows.
Jon
washere wrote:
Jon Polish wrote:
>I see. Thank you for explaining.
>>
>>Jon
>
>Pleasure. I don’t recommend new users to buy whizfolders though.
>
>I’m moving off from Whizfolders. Well I actually have stopped.
>
>It’s written in an ancient SDK.
>Which is why essentially it’s dead and will only receive minor updates,
>nothing major as in others.
>
>Converting RTF to markdown needs first converting to docx.
>The similar software which is free, Atomic Scribbler outputs into docx,
>more efficient, nicer to use too and faster to create in.
>
>Scribbler also has a modern user interface and is relatively new and
>unlike the dead-end whizfolders has a roadmap of major features planned.
>
>Whizfolders will probably have minor tweaks but will slip back into
>abandonware phase again after minor cosmetics which will be it’s final
>resting place.
>
>Because it’s easier to rewrite something in modern user interface than
>any major changes. Problem other apps like ConnectedTex are also facing.
>They’re essentially dead, not worth rewriting from scratch in modern
>interface classes. Whiz was a chunky minor app with better alternatives
>but ConnectedText is a tragedy. It was unique.
>
>I suggest for people new to outlining on Windows to outline on NoteCase
>Pro, very cheap also free lite versions on many platforms. Then transfer
>notes further up.
>
>For small articles or projects use free atomic scribbler, free.
>
>For large projects, scrivener windows 3 beta is free, released every few
>months. To be released within a year. Will be relatively cheap, a must
>buy and will sync with their Mac version in a free cloud account too if
>using multi platforms like some of us.
>
>Avoiding dying old SDK based apps is always good. Specially if they have
>been comatose abandonware recently. Also it’s much nicer to work in apps
>written in modern interfaces, because they’re much faster and more
>efficient and guaranteed major updates and features for years to come
>depending on developer’s roadmap.
>
>If new to Windows outliners then can actually get free versions of below
>and when scrivener 3 is released for under fifty dollars or so, let’s
>face it you better buy it anyway.
>
>https://www.literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=40621
>
>https://www.atomicscribbler.com
>
>http://notecasepro.com/download.php
>
>