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Posted by washere
Dec 20, 2018 at 10:03 PM
I think a browser based project for Hyper Plan would take a huge chunk of time (ie Andy’s money in reality). Further, the browsers would crash on the main strength and power of HP, large files with many cards. It would be just a commissioned toy at Andy’s expense. Soon forgotten and abandoned by a few.
Secondly, a Dropbox remote connection might be more wise, simply saving the working file in cloud and being able to work in it with a cache on desktop. There are various database locking algorithms for multi users. But the age old simple: one user at a time assess would be easy to implement. Also if gdrive or onedrive have easier protocols/API set to suit HP, then they can be used instead of it as well as Dropbox to save him time.
Finally, the project like any similars needs a large client base to find it, which means needing PR. To get PR, users are needed and word of mouth. Catch 22. The main way to have a breakthrough is to have an easier interface introduction for newbies to it AND also people who are not tech savvy.
This is a problem infoqube, similarly comprehensive and innovative, suffers from too. In HP’s case the cure is easy: free floating cards mode. The cards in free mode, can be auto-threaded together in ordered relationships to conform with current modes easily too. The user can then edit those threadings.
That free fliating mode would be the classic Visual/White/Cork Board of index cards a.k.a. Kanban everyone knows by sight and will dive in intuitively. HP would then be an enticing and easy self-training software and they learn more from there. And will then recommend it to others, mainly online which is what really matters. This is the key as simple logic shows.
Posted by Ken
Dec 21, 2018 at 02:22 AM
J J Weimer wrote:
A bit late to the table ...
>
>This is solely for macOS.
>
>WRT multiple projects with numerous sub-tasks: I use a combination of
>Curio and OmniFocus. I have three or more Kanban boards in one main GTD
>project file in Curio (and others in other targeted project files). I
>use the multiple boards to track the status of projects in different
>areas of responsibility. The projects are hyper-linked to corresponding
>entrees in OmniFocus, where the task management is handled. The link is
>two-way, so that I can at any time jump to the OF task level or the
>Curio overview level.
>
>WRT identifying the status of projects: The advantage of Curio for this
>is in its Status Panel. I can group projects by a range criteria,
>including dates, ratings, priorities, or tags (grouped in tag sets). I
>especially like that I can use the Status Panel to control-click and set
>various states of the projects (e.g. update the percentage complete).
>The mirror in OF is the ability to set defined perspectives for the
>task-level management.
>
>In summary, I also have not seen or have not been excited enough to
>adopt a “dedicated” Kanban program to try to manage dozens of projects
>with dozens of sub-tasks. Since I use Curio extensively for other things
>and since I used OmniFocus to manage the tasks, it was a natural to try
>to blend the two. For me, it has become a match made in Kanban+GTD
>heaven.
>
It appears that these are Mac/iOS-based programs and I am working in a Win environment so I cannot dig deeper into your work flow. :(
—Ken
Posted by Ken
Dec 21, 2018 at 02:27 AM
As usual, this has been a useful thread since it has been getting me to look at this issue in different lights. I had forgotten that some Kanban boards have swim lanes, andthat does add some functionality when dealing with multiple projects. But, a static board with swim lanes is a bit too rigid as I like to tag projects so they can be associated with multiple project states (e.g. “Urgent” and “Waiting on reply”). I guess I liked a lot of views of my data much of the time, so perhaps that is why I have shied away from static boards.
—Ken
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Dec 21, 2018 at 03:37 AM
Hi Ken,
I sent you a private message a few days ago. In case you didn’t get it, did you know that InfoQube can easily be configured to be an effective Kanban board ?
And the extensive filtering / multi-view makes it suitable for multi-project management.
The Welcome to IQ sample IQBase has a Kanban dashboard ready to use.
I started documenting dashboards here:
https://infoqubeim.com/drupal5/?q=node/4417
Pierre Paul Landry
IQ Designer
Posted by Andy Brice
Dec 21, 2018 at 11:40 AM
washere wrote:
I think a browser based project for Hyper Plan would take a huge chunk
>of time (ie Andy’s money in reality). Further, the browsers would crash
>on the main strength and power of HP, large files with many cards. It
>would be just a commissioned toy at Andy’s expense. Soon forgotten and
>abandoned by a few.
Browsers have come a long way. But it would certainly be very expensive in terms of my time, only to probably end up with a slower and less rich UI.
>
>Secondly, a Dropbox remote connection might be more wise, simply saving
>the working file in cloud and being able to work in it with a cache on
>desktop.
I do this a lot between my various Mac and Windows machines and it works very well. Hyper Plan detects when another machine has updated the plan and refreshes.
>There are various database locking algorithms for multi users.
>But the age old simple: one user at a time assess would be easy to
>implement. Also if gdrive or onedrive have easier protocols/API set to
>suit HP, then they can be used instead of it as well as Dropbox to save
>him time.
Storing your files in DropBox folders doesn’t result in true concurrency. If 2 people write to the file at the same time, you end up with a conflict and a second copy of the file.
A server component would allow full concurrency and access control.
Do the DropBox APIs handle locking and true concurrency? I haven’t looked into it.
>
>Finally, the project like any similars needs a large client base to find
>it, which means needing PR. To get PR, users are needed and word of
>mouth. Catch 22. The main way to have a breakthrough is to have an
>easier interface introduction for newbies to it AND also people who are
>not tech savvy.
Realistically I don’t think Hyper Plan is ever going to sell in the mass market. It is for a techie audience.
>
>This is a problem infoqube, similarly comprehensive and innovative,
>suffers from too. In HP’s case the cure is easy: free floating cards
>mode. The cards in free mode, can be auto-threaded together in ordered
>relationships to conform with current modes easily too. The user can
>then edit those threadings.
I think that would be a useful addition. But I don’t think it is suddenly going to make my fortune. ;0)
>
>That free fliating mode would be the classic Visual/White/Cork Board of
>index cards a.k.a. Kanban everyone knows by sight and will dive in
>intuitively. HP would then be an enticing and easy self-training
>software and they learn more from there. And will then recommend it to
>others, mainly online which is what really matters. This is the key as
>simple logic shows.
It might be an easier way in for the less technical people. However this can be a 2-edged sword as less technical people tend to be more price sensitive and require a lot more technical support.
—
Andy Brice
http://www.hyperplan.com