Todoist developer made the announcement on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/amix3k/status/1073162472876597249

They had something similar for Windows 10 in the past, but killed it. This will be for all platforms.

Thanks for posting this. This will be interesting addition.

--Ken

It seems like they're reengineering Todoist to meet the challenge of newer collaboration/notes/tasks/kanban competitors like Airtable, Zenkit and to a certain extend Asana and realtimeboard.

A move to focus on collaborative tasks, which leads the focus more to business use, makes some sense, as the sales market for individuals is static and people are notoriously cheap(er) compared to businesses.

Todoist needs to shore up much of its bread and butter functionality, though. Its subtasks and checklists are inferior to most competitor implementations, and as an outliner devotee that stands out for my own uses.

Todoist is giving another peek at the 2019 redesign - they finally are doing something about subtasks!

https://twitter.com/amix3k/status/1085593317902073857

satis wrote:
Todoist is giving another peek at the 2019 redesign - they finally are
doing something about subtasks!

I thought this is something to-doist does really well. Maybe this is a definition thing. I think of task nesting in a hierarchy as sub-tasking but many platforms refer to subtasks as a checklist contained within a master task, like it's a special kind of note. Like how Microsoft ToDo, Wunderlist, TickTick etc do it.

Are they saying they'll soon have the option to do both?

I like nesting tasks for project management and general organization, but checklists contained within a task are good for recurring stuff.

nathanb wrote:

>satis wrote:
>Todoist is giving another peek at the 2019 redesign - they finally are
>doing something about subtasks!
>

I thought this is something to-doist does really well.

No, their implementation of subtasks is currently terribly primitive, and only has keyboard-commands for indents/outdents in its web version. Much better implementations from Things, or TickTick, or Taskade, or lots of other apps.

nathanb wrote:

>satis wrote:
>Todoist is giving another peek at the 2019 redesign - they finally are
>doing something about subtasks!
>

I thought this is something to-doist does really well. Maybe this is a
definition thing. I think of task nesting in a hierarchy as sub-tasking
but many platforms refer to subtasks as a checklist contained within a
master task, like it's a special kind of note. Like how Microsoft ToDo,
Wunderlist, TickTick etc do it.

Are they saying they'll soon have the option to do both?

I like nesting tasks for project management and general organization,
but checklists contained within a task are good for recurring stuff.

I have similar feelings. Subtasks are not the same as checklists, and the option to have both available is the way to go from my perspective. I do find it frustrating when market people call checklists subtasks. They do not have the same properties as subtasks, and that distinction should be recognized. If I could get Todoist to do one thing, it would be to move their notes tot a right hand pane. I hate having to have them in a call-up window as they are not visible. There are other improvements they could make which would take their product into the next realm, but the notes thing is most annoying.

--Ken

Ken wrote:

>f I could get Todoist to do one thing, it would
be to move their notes tot a right hand pane. I hate having to have
them in a call-up window as they are not visible. There are other
improvements they could make which would take their product into the
next realm, but the notes thing is most annoying.

I agree completely on this. Use todoist and it irritates me that the notes interface is like comments. I also don't like how the reminders and repeating tasks isn't an explicit interface like MLO or most other task managers. Though it's otherwise low-friction (and very good at sub-tasking/nesting) which is why I still prefer it as a whole.

Taskade is another app that foolishly insists on treating notes like comments.

2Do's option to switch between "checklists" and "Projects" gives one nice flexibility about how to handle sub-tasks. (Projects sub-tasks can have their own due dates, checklists can't.)

Interestingly, FileMaker competitor Ninox (a German app) has just added multiple possible views to its already impressive panoply of features, including GANTT and Kanban views.

It's an increasingly interesting option for those wishing to construct their Very Own info management app; it also supports rich-text memo fields, for example (fully searchable).

More about Ninox (strictly speaking, Ninox Database) at https://ninoxdb.de/en/ (without the /en/ for German speakers).

Cheers!
Bill

More info on Ninox's kanban views (and card and GANTT views) here:

https://ninoxdb.de/en/blog/release-25

The kanban view looks pretty cool - as do the GANTT and cards views. You can see how they all work together.

And... they've finally given you an option for a full-screen form view; previously Ninox always supplied a half-table, half-form view which was quite irritating for those of us who use large, complex forms for specific tasks.

Ninox is now top of my list of FileMaker replacements (our admin database still runs on FM Pro 8.5, and is due for a major overhaul!)

Cheers!
Bill

Bill.
Would you mind opening a new thread covering Ninox? I find it appealing, I am interested in the CRM template.
The FAQ says Ninox exports to XLS, XLSX and CSV but does not state whether Ninox uses a proprietary format or something like SQL. Can you comment on that?

Todoist released their "Foundations" version with the "Sections" design.

https://get.todoist.help/hc/en-us/articles/360007080399

Paul Korm wrote:

Todoist released their "Foundations" version with the "Sections" design.

https://get.todoist.help/hc/en-us/articles/360007080399

Thanks for posting a link to this announcement. I am still not sure what their "Foundations" is supposed to mean or when the program will be updated, but I am looking forward to it whenever it does get released under whatever name they wish to call it.

--Ken

Ken, I think this *is* the long-promised update. On the Mac App Store yesterday the release was headlined "Welcome to Todoist Foundations..."

Release notes here

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/todoist-to-do-list-tasks/id585829637?mt=12

Paul Korm wrote:

Ken, I think this *is* the long-promised update. On the Mac App Store
yesterday the release was headlined "Welcome to Todoist Foundations..."

Release notes here

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/todoist-to-do-list-tasks/id585829637?mt=12

Thanks for the link, Paul. It almost sounds like there are now two version of the program - Todoist and Todoist Foundations. I do wonder how long they will keep using "Foundations" in their description of the program.

--Ken