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Posted by NickG
Sep 14, 2019 at 07:15 AM
One signiifcant advantage of Curio, Tinderbox, OmniOutliner and others is active support, from both the developer and the user community. Early days, I know, and Aquaminds need to be given a chance, but I do see this as a critical point for a sustainable product.
JakeBernsteinWA wrote:
It’s more that I knew exactly what I was looking for and that this
>application has a MUCH larger suite of competitors now than in the past.
>If it had been more polished, more modern, and more inline with the Mac
>App Store page’s description, I probably would have given it a bigger
>shot, but none of that was true. The experience actually pushed me to
>look again at Curio 13, which I already own as an alternative to my
>amateur use of Tinderbox. We’ll see how it shakes it.
>
>Jeffery Smith wrote:
>I’m pleased with it as it does the job of maintaining my myriad
>>lists of names, steps, emails, web addresses, and tasks in one place
>and
>>searchable. I don’t think it was over-hyped or promoted. I went
>>from using Circus Ponies and Notetaker to having neither. I think 10
>>minutes wouldn’t have been enough of a trial period for me. In an
>>age that a $10/month subscription is the norm, $29 seems like a wise
>>purchase.
Posted by satis
Sep 14, 2019 at 03:24 PM
NickG wrote:
> One signiifcant advantage of Curio, Tinderbox, OmniOutliner and others
>i s active support, from both the developer and the user community.
At this point in time I think developers who don’t develop apps that can be easily accessed on mobile are going to find their numbers of customers continue to shrink. In 2019 I simply would never consider an app like Curio or Tinderbox, no matter how good. I’d take a less full-featured app whose data I can access and edit from a tablet or phone any day.
Of the apps mentioned above only OmniOutliner is cross-platform, but my experience is that development is sporadic and idiosyncratic, the app has glaring UI issues, and the user community is declining (and responses online ranges from great to nonexistent). With the Mac version now raised to $99 and the iOS app now $50 (if you want sync and other features I consider must-have), it seems clear that they’re putting the app into maintenance-mode, and aren’t interested in new customers. If you look at the forums and their participation in them, the vast majority of discussions are about OmniFocus, the company’s bread and butter, with most of the remaining discussions being about OmniGraffle. The inability to easily create and edit and share themes is distinctly unfriendly, they know it, don’t want to spend the resources to change it, and no new new features are promised for the future.
Because of this I’d rather use multiple apps with online components than tie myself a a single-platform app.
Posted by Hugh
Sep 14, 2019 at 04:09 PM
satis wrote:
>
>NickG wrote:
>> One signiifcant advantage of Curio, Tinderbox, OmniOutliner and others
>>i s active support, from both the developer and the user community.
>
>At this point in time I think developers who don’t develop apps that can
>be easily accessed on mobile are going to find their numbers of
>customers continue to shrink. In 2019 I simply would never consider an
>app like Curio or Tinderbox, no matter how good. I’d take a less
>full-featured app whose data I can access and edit from a tablet or
>phone any day.
>
>Of the apps mentioned above only OmniOutliner is cross-platform, but my
>experience is that development is sporadic and idiosyncratic, the app
>has glaring UI issues, and the user community is declining (and
>responses online ranges from great to nonexistent). With the Mac version
>now raised to $99 and the iOS app now $50 (if you want sync and other
>features I consider must-have), it seems clear that they’re putting the
>app into maintenance-mode, and aren’t interested in new customers. If
>you look at the forums and their participation in them, the vast
>majority of discussions are about OmniFocus, the company’s bread and
>butter, with most of the remaining discussions being about OmniGraffle.
>The inability to easily create and edit and share themes is distinctly
>unfriendly, they know it, don’t want to spend the resources to change
>it, and no new new features are promised for the future.
>
>Because of this I’d rather use multiple apps with online components than
>tie myself a a single-platform app.
Personally I’m not so sure that Omni are putting the app into maintenance-mode. It’s true that there are gaps in both their development-timeline and their feature-list for OmniOutliner that I’d like them to remedy as soon as possible. And I’m sure that OmniFocus gets major attention because it must be the major earner in their offer. But from the outside it appears they have what could be called a “carousel” model for developing most of their software, putting major effort into each of their apps in turn (apart from OmniFocus) every few years or so.
As a user, I prefer that to the “shooting star” model, where an application is developed like crazy for a couple of years, and then disappears in a puff of smoke. We’ve seen that too frequently.
Posted by Beck
Sep 14, 2019 at 06:42 PM
satis wrote:
>At this point in time I think developers who don’t develop apps that can
>be easily accessed on mobile are going to find their numbers of
>customers continue to shrink. In 2019 I simply would never consider an
>app like Curio or Tinderbox, no matter how good. I’d take a less
>full-featured app whose data I can access and edit from a tablet or
>phone any day.
I’m moving in the opposite direction, lately.
I can email, grade, and in some cases edit on the go, but to do most of my work, I’m finding that I need (1) to be in a physical environment that supports my directed attention; and (2) with specific tools nearby, one of which is my computer (others are my iPad, paper notebook, at certain times a whiteboard, etc.). I’ve begun to let go of the requirement that an app needs to work any device and am instead making peace with seeking exemplar apps that work exceptionally well on the device in which they’re intended.
Posted by NickG
Sep 15, 2019 at 07:06 AM
I’m more aligned with this than the “single app on many devices” model.
- I know few if any apps that are as functional *and* usable on both mobile and desktop devices. The differences in interaction and presentation are an obstacle for me.
- I can collect on mobile devices - notes, clippings etc. But if I want to think, I want the space, multiple windows etc of a desktop (I also endorse @Beck’s point on conducive environment)
- There are plenty of ways for me to get data into Curio, Tinderbox etc without the need for mobile versions.
- The very nature of TB and Curio (highly visual) is that they demand significant screen real estate - I don’t see either being able to flourish on smaller screen mobile devices. If they spawned cut-down versions, they would lose their character.
Just my view.
Beck wrote:
>satis wrote:
>>At this point in time I think developers who don’t develop apps that
>can
>>be easily accessed on mobile are going to find their numbers of
>>customers continue to shrink. In 2019 I simply would never consider an
>>app like Curio or Tinderbox, no matter how good. I’d take a less
>>full-featured app whose data I can access and edit from a tablet or
>>phone any day.
>
>I’m moving in the opposite direction, lately.
>
>I can email, grade, and in some cases edit on the go, but to do most of
>my work, I’m finding that I need (1) to be in a physical environment
>that supports my directed attention; and (2) with specific tools nearby,
>one of which is my computer (others are my iPad, paper notebook, at
>certain times a whiteboard, etc.). I’ve begun to let go of the
>requirement that an app needs to work any device and am instead making
>peace with seeking exemplar apps that work exceptionally well on the
>device in which they’re intended.
>
>