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Posted by tightbeam
Nov 3, 2018 at 11:47 PM
Unlikely. UV Outliner hasn’t been updated since 2012, and its forum is off-line. The developer now works for this company:
UV Outliner still works fine, but it doesn’t seem like it will ever get further updates.
Stephen Diamond wrote:
>UV is an emulation on Windows of OmniOutliner (Mac). I’m sure Omni has
>customizable labels, so that might be coming in UV.
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Nov 3, 2018 at 11:54 PM
Stephen, unless I am mistaken, UV Outliner has not been developed for several years, and might be considered abandonware. It is too bad. I like that it has columns, and appears to be a pleasant application to use. I wish it would come back to life. With addition of the fearures you mentioned, and a couple of others, it would be quite good.
And yes, it also reminds me of InControl.
Daly
Stephen Diamond wrote:
Not much has changed. In 2012, Steve Zeoli published a review of OneNote
>and leading contenders. Although his criteria weren’t identical to mine
>(for example, Steve didn’t see inline text as a core feature) his set of
>core outliners (what to call them: I would use the old term, “outline
>processors,” as a subset of the generic category “outliners.”) His
>selections were OneNote, Inspiration, UV Outliner [what does “UV” stand
>for], and Natara Bonsai are identical with mine, with the exception of
>Bonsai. (And I would substitute Word of OneNote.) Most significantly,
>Inspiration receive an A; all the competitors got Cs. In essence,
>Inspiration is the only choice on Windows if you want these functions.
>
>But Inspiration is absurdly buggy for a mature product. So, what does UV
>lack. Two features: any numbering scheme whatsoever; any implementation
>of mark and gather (such as minimally multiple
>
>UV is an emulation on Windows of OmniOutliner (Mac). I’m sure Omni has
>customizable labels, so that might be coming in UV. I’m less sure if it
>has mark and gather in any form.
>
>[On the Mac of old there were two reigning outline processors: More and
>Acta. More emphasized power; Acta ease of use, fluidity. Operationally,
>I thought the most important distinction was that More had mark and
>gather. UV seems to be in the mold of Acta, with a dash of InControl.]
Posted by Stephen Diamond
Nov 4, 2018 at 08:10 PM
Pierre,
I’m trying to understand what’s difficult to understand. Are you familiar with Microsoft Word’s outline view, where you can enter text either as body text or as a heading?
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Nov 4, 2018 at 09:34 PM
Stephen Diamond wrote:
>I’m trying to understand what’s difficult to understand. Are you familiar with Microsoft Word’s outline view, where you can enter text either as body text or as a heading?
Is MS Word a one-pane outliner ? Good question… I believe this has been discussed here in the past.
If you want a word processor that you can expand / collapse sections, IQ is probably not the tool for you. Why not use Word if that’s what you want ?
Items (i.e. parapraphs) are at the core of IQ, so much so that through filtering and meta-data, you can filter sections out and use and re-use items in different documents.
InfoQube is a great tool to write, but it is **not** a word processor, in the conventional sense of the term.
Pierre
A recent comment on the IQ forum:
source: https://infoqubeim.com/drupal5/?q=node/4311#comment-20575
[quote]
IQ has just graduated from the BEST Information Manager to the BEST Composition Outliner and is well on the way to being the BEST Writing Environment of any kind!!
[/quote]
Posted by thouqht
Nov 4, 2018 at 11:58 PM
satis wrote:
You’ve been commenting about this type of outliner for maybe 15 years
>Stephen, so you’re probably aware of the best current alternatives -
>especially if you read this forum!
Is it possible OP that perhaps the issue is that you are looking to get something from software that software cannot provide? If you are doing creative work or serious problem solving, it’s GOING to be uncomfortable. Yes, tools can help ease that discomfort, but I feel like you are looking for some kind of tool nirvana that you aren’t going to get.
Perhaps you are wildly productive and prolific in your work… but if not, perhaps you are just using CRIMPing as an excuse to escape the hard work of knuckling down and just doing the work with something that’s adequate? Sometimes you cannot adapt the tools to your workflow, and must adapt your workflow to your tools…
Also, it still sounds like org-mode would let you do what you want.