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Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Nov 3, 2018 at 07:04 PM
Stephen Diamond wrote:
>Your revised instructions include, “When writing you document, you are free to put content in a hierarchy or items and / or in the Doc pane.”
>That would seem to say that when writing your document, you cannot enter the notes as body text _within_ the hierarchy.
Thanks for spotting that type. It now reads “in a hierarchy OF items and / or in the Doc pane”
So the answer is yes, the body can be in sub-items and / or in the Doc pane
Posted by Stephen Diamond
Nov 3, 2018 at 10:38 PM
> So the answer is yes, the body can be in sub-items and / or in the Doc pane.
But I want it to be in the outline pane but *not* as an item. (Like in Word, Inspiration, and UV.) InfoQube gets the distinction imposed by styles as a separate stage. This would seem a rather clumsy workaround for my purposes.
Posted by Stephen Diamond
Nov 3, 2018 at 10:55 PM
Not much has changed. In 2012, Steve Zeoli published a review of OneNote and leading contenders. Although his criteria weren’t identical to mine (for example, Steve didn’t see inline text as a core feature) his set of core outliners (what to call them: I would use the old term, “outline processors,” as a subset of the generic category “outliners.”) His selections were OneNote, Inspiration, UV Outliner [what does “UV” stand for], and Natara Bonsai are identical with mine, with the exception of Bonsai. (And I would substitute Word of OneNote.) Most significantly, Inspiration receive an A; all the competitors got Cs. In essence, Inspiration is the only choice on Windows if you want these functions.
But Inspiration is absurdly buggy for a mature product. So, what does UV lack. Two features: any numbering scheme whatsoever; any implementation of mark and gather (such as minimally multiple
UV is an emulation on Windows of OmniOutliner (Mac). I’m sure Omni has customizable labels, so that might be coming in UV. I’m less sure if it has mark and gather in any form.
[On the Mac of old there were two reigning outline processors: More and Acta. More emphasized power; Acta ease of use, fluidity. Operationally, I thought the most important distinction was that More had mark and gather. UV seems to be in the mold of Acta, with a dash of InControl.]
Posted by Stephen Diamond
Nov 3, 2018 at 11:07 PM
By way of further background, my go-to outline processor has for several years been NoteMap. It had a feature set similar to Inspiration. It had a minimal implementation of body text but a better implementation of mark and gather than Inspiration. But only nine levels. If I wanted more, I used Brainstorm.
I’m not really a CRIMPer. I can’t share the enthusiasm for products that usually fall by the wayside. I was enthused by ndxNotes and ADM. Both had excellent basic outliners, with the glaring deficiency of no undo in ADM. (Excellent brainstorming experience. Is there any way to get a copy and run it on Windows 10? I’m “registered” through ADM 3, but 2 was my favorite.) I’m just looking for something that’s “good enough,” which is surprisingly hard to find.
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
Nov 3, 2018 at 11:27 PM
Stephen Diamond wrote:
>But I want it to be in the outline pane but *not* as an item. (Like in Word, Inspiration, and UV.)
> InfoQube gets the distinction imposed by styles as a separate stage. This would seem a rather clumsy workaround for my purposes.
I’m not sure I understand what you mean… the outline pane contains items
You don’t need to turn on outline styles if you don’t want to. It just help to see the structure of the document
An item is nothing more than a paragraph. When you move an item, you move a paragraph
So, if it’s what you want, you can put all the content in the outline pane of course
Pierre