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Posted by satis
Jun 20, 2018 at 09:55 PM
Paul Korm wrote:
>I also define
>“best” as “the feature works by a single click and, ideally, a keyboard
>shortcut that has the same result”.
>
>With that, I think the best collapsing / folding, and hoisting, software
>is Tinderbox on macOS.
>
>On iOS I would grudgingly go with OmniOutliner. (Agenda’s collapse
>feature in iOS is frustratingly inconsistent.)
One of the things that finally drove me away from two decades of using Acta -> Dyno Notepad -> Opal was having to click twice on disclosure triangles to open and collapse. Drove me absolutely batty, finally. I even contacted the dev to see why he chose that when all the conventions - including the Mac’s Finder - use one click, and his response was not satisfactory, at least to me. He said he prioritized selecting text without an extra click, or needing an extra hit target to select a topic, by building the selection into the double-click.
I think the world has pretty much decided though: click to open/close and then decide whether you want to then click again to select focus. He decided to remain idiosyncratic, and I gave up the app. I constantly close/collapse, as I usually have a headline topic then lots of list items or blocks of text that don’t need to be seen (or get in the way if they are). And all that extra clicking, after far too many years grated on me and I had to flee… despite having used the app in one name or other starting in 1987 (and with pretty much the same exact features and keyboard commands the entire time, which is a lot of muscle memory to give up).
Posted by doablesoftware
Jun 21, 2018 at 05:50 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding
folding is supa important:
- for specific use cases, it’s supa needed
- the #1 benefit which may have been said is all about info visibility, info accessibility, & info presentation
- the #1 bad of collapsible text is when it’s not needed, there’s really no bads collapsiblity
- if there’s any bads, then maybe it was done/designed badly
collapsiblity is one of the most important things across all types/forms/kinds/designs of softwares
Is there even an analog of “folding” in the physical world.
yea there’s tons, there’s billions of examples, not sure if this is physical world in terms of the natural world, or physical in terms of built world, but across all contexts there’s lots of examples
Posted by MadaboutDana
Jun 21, 2018 at 02:49 PM
Well, I had no idea – I shall have to check it out (again; I periodically install and then somewhat regretfully uninstall NoteCase Pro… no iOS version, you see)
Marbux wrote:
>NoteCase Pro does this with its flat “list” view of nodes. The list view
>exists only in memory, not on disk. Add the nodes you want to focus on
>to the list and then you can reorder them as desired. This does not
>affect the “tree” view or the node’s position in the file. And it’s just
>one keyboard shortcut (or toolbar icon click or context menu item) to
>toggle back and forth between tree and list view. Nodes in list view are
>fully editable, taggable, and markable. Nodes in the list view can be
>printed, copied, or cloned in list view order. But nodes cannot be
>deleted from file in list view, and new nodes cannot be created in list
>view.