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Posted by Dr Andus
Apr 24, 2018 at 12:10 PM
tightbeam wrote:
Dr. Andus: You’re letting your own zeal for Chrome get in the way of
>common sense. Kids who live on their iPhones aren’t going to take a big
>step back and embrace Chromebooks over iPads. Schools may be moving
>toward Chromebooks because of the cheaper cost, but I wouldn’t read
>anything more into it than that. And OneNote is most definitely the de
>facto note-taking software in academia: it’s free, it’s easily
>available, and it’s distributed by a “trusted” vendor - Microsoft.
You’re reading too much into my question. I’m genuinely curious if there is evidence that US school kid Chromebook users prefer to use iPad at home. You’ve offered opinion, not evidence.
BTW, I work in academia (in the UK), and I have not yet come across anyone using OneNote (or a Chromebook). As far as I can tell, my colleagues are using MS Word and Excel pretty much for everything, or hard copy notebooks.
Posted by Ken
Apr 24, 2018 at 03:21 PM
Dellu wrote:
>I think Onenote is great. They are developing it good. it is one of the
>most powerful information management systems out there. it is free. it
>is rich. The sync is improving. The features are growing.
>I am a Mac user for now. But, I always see my future with Onenote.
While I appreciate your love of OneNote, I just cannot seem to share your outlook on the product (pardon the pun). The web-based version is missing many of the more powerful features that are found in the desktop version, and that is not a direction that that leads me to want to use OneNote. And, I am not sure what features are growing that you find appealing, but I am not certain if they will mitigate the loss of the desktop features that have been pulled. Finally, while you may find Google and Apple’s corporate practices to be of question, I am inclined to believe that Microsoft travels in a similar orbit. Just look at what they have done with some of the products that they have purchased over the years, like iView MediaPro.
—Ken
Posted by Dellu
Apr 24, 2018 at 10:15 PM
Ken wrote:
>Finally, while you may find
>Google and Apple’s corporate practices to be of question, I am inclined
>to believe that Microsoft travels in a similar orbit. Just look at what
>they have done with some of the products that they have purchased over
>the years, like iView MediaPro.
I don’t know a lot about these products. I really don’t follow what products they buy. But, from consumer perspective, I find Microsoft much more reliable: at least its Office products have been here forever. I barely know a single Google product that lasted as any of Office products. I was devastated when Google killed Picasa. I had spilled hundreds of hours on that product. Google is the worst in abandoning products.
As to onenote, if you are comparing Onenote 2016 and Onenote 2010, they are very comparable. Onenote 2010 is growing pretty fast. It even gets a lot of feature that the 2016 doesn’t has. I really didn’t look at the web version. it is even sufficient if has some basic features for the web version. Most of the great note taking applications loved in this community (like Tinderbox and Apple Note) don’t even have the basic web version. I don’t blame MS for that. I personally don’t much care about the web version: so far as it has it has good desktop version, even more attractive as it has versions for Mac, Android, Window.
WE have to give a value that deserves it. I am sure there are economical or strategical advantages that MS is thinking, but, to my mind (to the regular consumer), giving Onenote for free is one of the most generous things MS does. They don’t plug ads to it. It might not be a surprise that they developed it for Windows. it is generous that they did for mac and Android as well.
Posted by Ken
Apr 25, 2018 at 02:49 AM
Dellu wrote:
>I don’t know a lot about these products. I really don’t follow what
>products they buy. But, from consumer perspective, I find Microsoft much
>more reliable: at least its Office products have been here forever. I
>barely know a single Google product that lasted as any of Office
>products. I was devastated when Google killed Picasa. I had spilled
>hundreds of hours on that product. Google is the worst in abandoning
>products.
>
>As to onenote, if you are comparing Onenote 2016 and Onenote 2010,
>they are very comparable. Onenote 2010 is growing pretty fast. It even
>gets a lot of feature that the 2016 doesn’t has. I really didn’t look at
>the web version. it is even sufficient if has some basic features for
>the web version. Most of the great note taking applications loved in
>this community (like Tinderbox and Apple Note) don’t even have the basic
>web version. I don’t blame MS for that. I personally don’t much care
>about the web version: so far as it has it has good desktop version,
>even more attractive as it has versions for Mac, Android, Window.
>
>WE have to give a value that deserves it. I am sure there are economical
>or strategical advantages that MS is thinking, but, to my mind (to the
>regular consumer), giving Onenote for free is one of the most generous
>things MS does. They don’t plug ads to it. It might not be a surprise
>that they developed it for Windows. it is generous that they did for mac
>and Android as well.
Well, I can certainly share your frustrations about Google abandoning software. And while I did not use Apple’s Aperture, I am sure that many folks who did would feel the same way about Apple. Regarding OneNote, it is my understanding that the desktop versions are soon to go away and be replaced by the web version that is part of Office 365. I am sure that you can continue to use your desktop version for some time to come, but understand that it will be an abandoned product at some point in the future. I do understand the appeal of offering a web-based product, but for those of us that need features that cannot be easily supported or offered in web products, that leaves us in a tough spot. I am watching a similar situation play out with Adobe’s Lightroom. They no longer support a stand-alone version, and now have two subscription model versions. The “classic” version is primarily machine-based and is fully featured, and the “new” version is heavily integrated intot he web, but offers far fewer features (for now). How companies reconcile this split or find a way to enhance their newer web-based versions is the million dollar question for many of us.
—Ken
Posted by moritz
Apr 25, 2018 at 05:21 AM
Regrettably, the non-Windows versions of OneNote have (even) less features and the user interface has severe lag in responding e.g. to basic editing commands, such as command+v on Mac OS.
Meanwhile ... (see other thread) a single programmer is showing what OneNote could have been with the recent Curio 12 release.
Too bad that Curio isn’t cross platform and doesn’t sync across multiple authors - otherwise would be a 10x more powerful all around replacement ...
My 2 Cents.
P.S.: Yes I’m holding a grudge - my team voted to use OneNote as standard for meeting notes, so I’m spending about an hour a day cursing the user experience ... (mostly on Windows because the other versions are noticeably worse)