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Posted by moritz
May 20, 2018 at 04:51 PM
Stephen Zeoli wrote:
Does it still require syncing through its OmniPresence cloud service? If
>so, I assume you find that works just fine…
Basically: Yes. You can also bring your own WebDav server, e.g. if you have a Synology or Qnap NAS.
Posted by Larry Kollar
May 22, 2018 at 02:38 AM
If you’re like me, and want a console-mode outliner but can’t stand Emacs (I’ve given it several tries over the years), there’s always Tines. I’ve not been doing a whole lot with the development lately, but a couple of community members sent patches to add autoconfig and some UI improvements; I plan to roll them up, make OPML the default file format, and release 2.0.
One of Tines’s strengths is its support for “text” mode entries—combined with its Markdown export, you can outline your headings, scenes, and even snippets of dialog and description, then import the OPML into Scrivener and get on with the drafting. I like to think of it as a “writer’s outliner.” I’m thinking about ways to export to DITA (a technical writing XML format), but that will come later.
Posted by jaslar
May 22, 2018 at 01:09 PM
I tried to install tines on a couple of virtual Linux machines, but it failed. Do you have plans to package it as a .deb or .rpm? I liked where you’re taking it.
Larry Kollar wrote:
If you’re like me, and want a console-mode outliner but can’t stand
>Emacs (I’ve given it several tries over the years), there’s always
>Tines. I’ve not been doing a whole lot with the development lately, but
>a couple of community members sent patches to add autoconfig and some UI
>improvements; I plan to roll them up, make OPML the default file format,
>and release 2.0.
>
>One of Tines’s strengths is its support for “text” mode
>entries—combined with its Markdown export, you can outline your
>headings, scenes, and even snippets of dialog and description, then
>import the OPML into Scrivener and get on with the drafting. I like to
>think of it as a “writer’s outliner.” I’m thinking about ways to export
>to DITA (a technical writing XML format), but that will come later.
>
Posted by jimspoon
Sep 6, 2018 at 03:37 PM
Just to put in my vote on this old thread, it’s Infoqube.
Like many of us here I’ve spent a long time looking for the “Holy Grail” of outliners, and it seemed like it was never going to come along. To me it seems that Infoqube far exceeds anything else that is out there or has any likelihood of coming along.
Of course there is always the question of what is an outliner, and we could define it strictly or loosely. Strictly speaking it is focused on the arrangement of text items in parent / child relationships, with indentation levels to show those relationships. But there are many other ways to arrange and find information than that. Infoqube gives you many different options so you can do it “your way”. Pierre is currently in the process of adding a hierarchical tagging system that will provide yet another method that will appeal to many.
One recent “discovery” I have made is, you are not wedded to any particular method! You can mix and match, and you can use one method as sort of a transition to another. For example, I might start out by entering notes in a semi-random outliner fashion. But later on I can add fields and values very easily and create a nice “spreadsheet” sort of view for a particular subset of data.
For those who say that Infoqube is “unfriendly” (and remember they said that about Ecco too) - I would say you don’t try to grasp it all at once. Just get a grasp of the most basic principles and dive in. There are many features of IQ that after all these years I haven’t touched, and am really not likely to.
Posted by tightbeam
Sep 6, 2018 at 04:02 PM
I wonder if InfoQube would be seen as less “unfriendly” if there were an option for a “basic” interface, stripped of all the add-on stuff and with clear instructions on how to access that add-on stuff when and if the need for it arises.
I’d wager that most reasonably complex software would benefit from a “basic interface” option. I know there’s a sales argument for giving users everything but the kitchen sink, but when you knock on someone’s door for the first time, it usually isn’t answered by every single member of the family.
jimspoon wrote:
Just to put in my vote on this old thread, it’s Infoqube.
>
>Like many of us here I’ve spent a long time looking for the “Holy Grail”
>of outliners, and it seemed like it was never going to come along. To
>me it seems that Infoqube far exceeds anything else that is out there or
>has any likelihood of coming along.
>
>Of course there is always the question of what is an outliner, and we
>could define it strictly or loosely. Strictly speaking it is focused on
>the arrangement of text items in parent / child relationships, with
>indentation levels to show those relationships. But there are many
>other ways to arrange and find information than that. Infoqube gives
>you many different options so you can do it “your way”. Pierre is
>currently in the process of adding a hierarchical tagging system that
>will provide yet another method that will appeal to many.
>
>One recent “discovery” I have made is, you are not wedded to any
>particular method! You can mix and match, and you can use one method as
>sort of a transition to another. For example, I might start out by
>entering notes in a semi-random outliner fashion. But later on I can
>add fields and values very easily and create a nice “spreadsheet” sort
>of view for a particular subset of data.
>
>For those who say that Infoqube is “unfriendly” (and remember they said
>that about Ecco too) - I would say you don’t try to grasp it all at
>once. Just get a grasp of the most basic principles and dive in. There
>are many features of IQ that after all these years I haven’t touched,
>and am really not likely to.