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Posted by washere
Mar 28, 2018 at 11:52 PM
dan7000 wrote:
Have been posting here since 2006; it’s always been a very congenial,
>non-combatative forum where all contributors tried to share information
>about new software and support the developers of that software. In those
>12 years, with the exception of one person who stopped posting here ages
>ago, I have never seen nasty personal attacks. But I guess the new
>generation is different. See ya.
I beg to differ. I did not see any outrage by you when this was posted against anyone sounding suggestions:
> Don’t worry - as you will already have seen, the world is divided into those who by default and as a result, no doubt, of bitter childhood experiences, impute the > most cynical motives to software developers, and those who - like myself - enormously appreciate the difficult battle any independent developer faces to get > his/her software recognised, used and possibly even very slightly profitable.
That is double standards.
Nor after I said why attack people with suggestions about how to improve the software and make more money by a specialist forum where other users are giving business advice level ideas which would be considered consultancy, to which you replied:
> The out of touch dad who comes over after the gig to give the lead singer some “business advice” is hilarious.
Once again another personal attack initiated against anyone with mere suggestions.
And, they were your own words.
Posted by washere
Mar 29, 2018 at 12:18 AM
Sincere best wishes to everyone on this forum.
Goodbye.
~was here
Posted by MadaboutDana
Mar 29, 2018 at 08:53 AM
Oh dear. Some fragile personalities, I feel.
Firstly, I suggest a fruitful forum should always involve a modicum of self-irony: i.e. don’t take yourself too seriously.
Second, I’ve got no problem with criticism as such, but do find the sometimes highly cynical terms used by certain commentators a little offensive. The ad-hominem attacks on Adrian were a good example, hence my attempt to restore the balance.
I think most people who contribute to this forum are appreciative of small, independent developers, while at the same time perfectly capable of making judgements on whether such developers are overcharging for their wares, or not providing enough support, and so on.
I’ve criticised developers here myself (e.g. Glam Software, just the other day), but I try and refrain from imputing grisly, cynical motives to them because, at the end of the day, I have absolutely no idea what problems (personal, professional, commercial) they may be facing, or whether they’re an overstretched one-man band, or whatever. So I prefer to confine myself facts (the developer is IMHO charging too much for the app; the developer is not issuing regular updates) rather than musing on the developer’s purely theoretical business/personal inadequacies.
May I suggest that slanging developers off just because they’re not doing exactly what you want them to do is counterproductive. Make suggestions by all means. Express regret or disappointment. But don’t start building unpleasant, negative scenarios based on purely theoretical imaginings of commercial exploitation. That’s unfair and unfounded. As a small businessman myself, this is something I feel very strongly about.
Best wishes to everybody, in any case.
Bill
Posted by Jan S.
Mar 29, 2018 at 09:12 PM
Funny how this started over being scared to use a credit card on the internet. Apparently we’re in the early 2000s again. But then also being unsatifsfied with the option to pay with bitcoin—which should be a much better choice from a privacy/security standpoint.
Posted by tightbeam
Mar 29, 2018 at 11:04 PM
Reading comprehension…
He wasn’t “scared to use a credit card on the internet.” He was reluctant to give his credit card details to the developer who then explained that his payment system used Stripe, and so was in fact safe and secure.
And the point about bitcoin wasn’t “dissatisfaction”, it was the developer’s decision to offer a bitcoin payment option but not a PayPal option. When given the choice, I always prefer to pay via PayPal, and not hand over my credit card details. I imagine others feel the same, so the lack of a PayPal option theoretically limits his prospective customer base.
Jan S. wrote:
Funny how this started over being scared to use a credit card on the
>internet. Apparently we’re in the early 2000s again. But then also being
>unsatifsfied with the option to pay with bitcoin—which should be a
>much better choice from a privacy/security standpoint.