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Posted by satis
Feb 20, 2018 at 01:23 AM
Gingoko dev actually posted about this today in the community.gingkoapp.com forums, saying search is “on the list” of things to add (I wish he’d have said it was at the top of that list), and that undo/redo is an important feature he will be prioritizing.
It therefore very much feels like the 0.8x release it is, and for that reason I cannot devote much time or serious writing to it. But it’s an exciting and unique product I could see myself using in time, with bugfixes and added features. I wanted to support it so I was glad to register the app.
Posted by satis
May 25, 2019 at 04:00 PM
satis wrote:
I really have trouble with the idea of swallowing $90 for Mac + iOS
>outliner apps, especially when the iOS one is in such woeful shape (and
>$10 more than it would have cost a few days ago if one had bought the
>previous version, with free upgrade).
I just noticed that prices went up (this year?). Essentials for Mac and iOS are now $19.99 each, and the Pro version is $99.99 on the Mac (insane) and $49.99 on iOS, with no bundle pricing. (I know that Apple doesn’t permit bundling, but Ulysses is able to get away with it by including full iOS access if you subscribe to the Mac app, either in the Mac App Store, or as part of the SetApp.com subscription suite.) I own OO Pro for the Mac, and was thinking of getting OO Essentials for iOS, which used to be $9.99, but the price increase stopped me. And if Omni has upgrades any time soon for the Mac app I probably won’t upgrade.
It appears that Omni has decided, with little competition at the high end and with outline apps being a small market niche, that they’ll milk the app’s pricing while keeping it essentially in maintenance mode. Very disappointing.
I recently came across the following review of OO from an author who also uses Scrivener and Ulysses, and the review looked to see if he could integrate OO into his workflow so he could use it with Ulysses instead of using the integrated outlining in Scrivener.
https://chrisrosser.net/posts/2018/08/11/review-omnioutliner/
What surprised me most was how apparently useful the outlining mode is in Scrivener. And the conclusion to the review was that OmniOutliner (under the *old* price) was too much for what it offered.
I found this very interesting. I also own Scrivener, but have used it only a couple of times for some longer-form writing, but I may look into its outlining capabilities now.
Posted by Simon
May 25, 2019 at 06:39 PM
I have in general dumped omni. The prices were getting too ridiculous. I have version 3 of OO, but this will be my last version. I do all my outlining now on Dynalist, I also use Dynalist (very effectively, I might add) as an omnifocus replacement. I’m on a slow consolidation of all the apps I use.
The hardest subscription to tackle will be setapp!
Posted by Amontillado
May 26, 2019 at 11:48 AM
Scrivener is awesome. The companion Scapple is a great example of how creative simplicity can sometime surpass complexity. It doesn’t have many features, but it’s a great tool for shotgunning ideas.
I don’t use either at the moment, but I’m probably a fool not to. They are great tools.
Ulysses was my favorite editor for a long time, but the one-library-to-rule-them-all concept bugs me. I like to have a per-project dumpster, either a folder or a Devonthink database, rather than one huge overstuffed hall closet. Ulysses on the iPad is very close to the same as on the Mac. They did an outstanding job of porting the desktop to the iPad.
The linked article didn’t mention my favorite Scrivener feature, which I think is called locked outline mode. Put the left hand editor window in outline mode and the right window in document mode, and click the lock icon (I think it’s a lock) to turn on locked outlining.
The left window will display text and synopsis, and the right window will follow what you click on the left side, accessing the related document.
You can save that setup as a stored layout, so it’s just a click or two to bring it back.
I wish I could make some changes in the way Scrivener works. I wouldn’t sacrifice a single capability, but there are different ways to get the same results. Ulysses always fascinated me because so much of Scrivener’s power was there even if it didn’t appear to be.
Unfortunately, if I could mold Scrivener to my fondest wishes, the Scrivener faithful would want to lynch me. Probably not a bad thing I’m not calling the shots at L&L.
Actually, I think I’ll have another go with Scrivener.
>I recently came across the following review of OO from an author who
>also uses Scrivener and Ulysses, and the review looked to see if he
>could integrate OO into his workflow so he could use it with Ulysses
>instead of using the integrated outlining in Scrivener.
>
>https://chrisrosser.net/posts/2018/08/11/review-omnioutliner/
>
>What surprised me most was how apparently useful the outlining mode is
>in Scrivener. And the conclusion to the review was that OmniOutliner
>(under the *old* price) was too much for what it offered.
>
>I found this very interesting. I also own Scrivener, but have used it
>only a couple of times for some longer-form writing, but I may look into
>its outlining capabilities now.
Posted by Amontillado
May 26, 2019 at 11:55 AM
Well, I started to comment about OO, and got sidetracked.
Boiled down to save space, I’ve always found it to be a powerful tool, but with rough edges.
For instance, reading that article, I tried a pop-up column for character POV. It works, but barks back a little.
You can easily manage to get the cursor in the pop-up field without getting the gray triangle to access the pop-up choices. The cure is to click on a different line and then click back in the pop-up field.
You can add a new pop-up choice by typing whatever you want. Init a menu with Larry, Moe, and Curly, and you can add Shep on the fly. That’s nice, but if you type “Moe” by hand, it’s a different Moe than the defined Moe from the inspector’s value. Now you have two Moe’s in the popup menu.
Things like that have always plagued OO. I currently use it as both an outliner and a lightweight, per project checklist. I like it because entry is fast, but wish the rough edges would get fixed.
Amontillado wrote:
Scrivener is awesome.