Those screenshots of a single pane outliner (with rich text?!) combined with columns are enough to make any ecco user drool.

Twenty years have gone by with so few people willing to supply the market with such a simple, effective tool! [Yes I acknowledge that with much more effort than should be needed to hide superfluous stuff, I can wedge infoqube into focus in that configuration, but I believe that is pretty much my only current option for a single pane outliner with columns (?)]

But it will probably just prolong the torture of the Ecco refugee (like me) to see that this is Mac-only.

If only I had a reliable quick and modern tool that would left me do my Ecco-like rich-text single pane outlines with columns, and paste them seamlessly into Microsoft Word and Outlook emails!

Sounds great Peter.

Also ... if I want an image in an item can I paste it in or is it just a link? And if it's a copy, can I re-size it? (Ecco could, OmniOutliner can't.)


SheetPlanner wrote:

Rogbar,
If you close the window hitting the red traffic light it closes the
window and all its tabs. That state is remembered and yes when you
reopen the document, the tabs state is restored.

Command W closes tabs, so you have to get used to not hitting command
tab to close a document if you want the tab state maintained when you
reopen the document.

The roadmap for 1.1 will be things like data entry helpers, (timestamps,
serial numbers), picture column type, maybe a template browser and
system notifications.

The long term roadmap is extensive, basically every feature you have
ever wished for!!!

When we get 1.0 out, I will think more about releasing the roadmap.
Peter

Rogbar,
At launch you can link to any file in your file system.

Likely in 1.1 we will add a picture type column/field.

Thanks
Peter

Ah. Does that mean that in 1.0 I could not copy and paste a .jpg into the outline either as an item by itself or as part of a text item?

SheetPlanner wrote:

Rogbar,
At launch you can link to any file in your file system.

Likely in 1.1 we will add a picture type column/field.

Thanks
Peter

Rogbar,
in 1.0 there is no Picture column type for storing jpegs etc, however there is a very robust rich text editor for row topic notes and you can paste pictures into a note.

We will plan to add Picture type columns for 1.1
Thanks,
Peter

cicerosc wrote:

Those screenshots of a single pane outliner (with rich text?!) combined
with columns are enough to make any ecco user drool.

Twenty years have gone by with so few people willing to supply the
market with such a simple, effective tool! [Yes I acknowledge that with
much more effort than should be needed to hide superfluous stuff, I can
wedge infoqube into focus in that configuration, but I believe that is
pretty much my only current option for a single pane outliner with
columns (?)]

I've been using Ecco Pro for twenty years. I've been gradually switching my work to InfoQube over the past two years. Not sure what you mean by "with much more effort than should be needed...". It's easy to set up InfoQube just as you described. It's similar to Ecco Pro but far more powerful and flexible. Current development is extremely rapid and new features are often implemented on request.

I've been looking for an Ecco Pro replacement since the early 2000's. After many, many tries and disappointments, I'm confident InfoQube is it.

Wayne

A question about filters: if I apply a filter, will the filtered view display not just the items I've filtered for, but also parents (for context) and children?

SheetPlanner wrote:

There are powerful filters and the ability to link to files in your
filesystem and view them in tabs.

Hi Rogbar.

Good question and one we debated about when designing the spec.

We decided the simplest way was just to show the results in a list and not in an outline.

What are your thoughts on this, would you prefer to see it in an outline?

Thanks,
Peter

rogbar wrote:

A question about filters: if I apply a filter, will the filtered view
display not just the items I've filtered for, but also parents (for
context) and children?

SheetPlanner wrote:
>
>There are powerful filters and the ability to link to files in your
>filesystem and view them in tabs.
>

Yes. Based on years of using Ecco to do things no other software still cannot do, I've found that filters are useless to me without parents and children.

When I look at filtered results, the parents give me the context I need to understand where this item fits in the larger scheme of things. And the children are items that expand the information of the item. Other users' mileage may vary, but for me, without those things, I can't use the app.

SheetPlanner wrote:

Hi Rogbar.

Good question and one we debated about when designing the spec.

We decided the simplest way was just to show the results in a list and
not in an outline.

What are your thoughts on this, would you prefer to see it in an
outline?

Thanks,
Peter

rogbar wrote:
A question about filters: if I apply a filter, will the filtered view
>display not just the items I've filtered for, but also parents (for
>context) and children?
>
>SheetPlanner wrote:
>>
>>There are powerful filters and the ability to link to files in your
>>filesystem and view them in tabs.
>>
>
>

Rogbar,

Got it. We may enable this through a global document preference or a setting specific to each filter in a future release. I would like to see what the implementation is like in echo or elsewhere to get it right before adding the functionality.

We have a long roadmap and I will likely publish a set of features and seek some input from users of 1.0 as to what the priority is to add them once we get 1.0 out the door.

Thanks
Peter

rogbar wrote:

Yes. Based on years of using Ecco to do things no other software still
cannot do, I've found that filters are useless to me without parents and
children.

When I look at filtered results, the parents give me the context I need
to understand where this item fits in the larger scheme of things. And
the children are items that expand the information of the item. Other
users' mileage may vary, but for me, without those things, I can't use
the app.

SheetPlanner wrote:

>Hi Rogbar.
>
>Good question and one we debated about when designing the spec.
>
>We decided the simplest way was just to show the results in a list and
>not in an outline.
>
>What are your thoughts on this, would you prefer to see it in an
>outline?
>
>Thanks,
>Peter
>
>rogbar wrote:
>A question about filters: if I apply a filter, will the filtered view
>>display not just the items I've filtered for, but also parents (for
>>context) and children?
>>
>>SheetPlanner wrote:
>>>
>>>There are powerful filters and the ability to link to files in your
>>>filesystem and view them in tabs.
>>>
>>
>>

I agree with rogbar here - seeing stuff in context is quite important. I seem to remember Workflowy does this quite well?

Madaboutdana,

Just checked out workflow and the way it works. I will make it a option on a per filter basis. Probably in 1.1.

Thanks,
Peter

There have been quite a few references to Ecco Pro and I would support the idea that you take a good look at it. There are ideas and features in it that still, 20 years later, haven't appeared anywhere else with such simplicity and clarity.

If SheetPlanner comes anywhere near Ecco Pro, I'll be in for it

Rogbar,
After talking this over with my developer, here is what we are shooting for in version 1.2 or 1.5.

The ability to 'Pin' tabs like in Safari.

Pinned tabs would have settings for:

1) What filter to apply
2) Whether to show the filtered items a)parents and b)children or neither. Context items would be in grey.
3) The sort order to apply
4) Which columns to show
5) Which views to show (Outline, Calendar (month, year to begin with and later week and day), Timeline)
6) A unique icon to visually indicate something about the tab. We may not choose to make pinned tabs as small as they are in safari.

Also, we will add the ability to have fixed column widths in 1.1.

Thanks for everyones feedback, it definitely helps shape the product.

Thanks,
Peter

SheetPlanner wrote:

Rogbar,

Got it. We may enable this through a global document preference or a
setting specific to each filter in a future release. I would like to see
what the implementation is like in echo or elsewhere to get it right
before adding the functionality.

We have a long roadmap and I will likely publish a set of features and
seek some input from users of 1.0 as to what the priority is to add them
once we get 1.0 out the door.

Thanks
Peter

rogbar wrote:
Yes. Based on years of using Ecco to do things no other software still
>cannot do, I've found that filters are useless to me without parents
and
>children.
>
>When I look at filtered results, the parents give me the context I need
>to understand where this item fits in the larger scheme of things. And
>the children are items that expand the information of the item. Other
>users' mileage may vary, but for me, without those things, I can't use
>the app.
>
>SheetPlanner wrote:
>
>>Hi Rogbar.
>>
>>Good question and one we debated about when designing the spec.
>>
>>We decided the simplest way was just to show the results in a list and
>>not in an outline.
>>
>>What are your thoughts on this, would you prefer to see it in an
>>outline?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Peter
>>
>>rogbar wrote:
>>A question about filters: if I apply a filter, will the filtered view
>>>display not just the items I've filtered for, but also parents (for
>>>context) and children?
>>>
>>>SheetPlanner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>There are powerful filters and the ability to link to files in your
>>>>filesystem and view them in tabs.
>>>>
>>>
>>>