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Posted by tightbeam
Jan 23, 2018 at 11:42 AM
shatteredmindofbob wrote:
> I also like the idea of antisocial, neurotic and introverted software
What’s to like about that kind of software? Sounds more like an art project…
For Indigrid, I’d work first on making it *not* crash so frequently, and maybe then on a proper export (not just copy and paste).
Posted by Mark Nevarrik
Jan 23, 2018 at 06:57 PM
washere wrote:
>What did you not miss buddy? Look at my post on bottom of page 2. File
>menu standards, open close save save-as. not to mention import export
>and a couple filetype formats for them. Crash still happens, just
>relaunches. After launch hitting new-line does nothing. View: open in
>column to left or right kicks things in but just duplicates first pane.
>bottom bar fix is basically auto-hide some commands, unorthodox, instead
>of toolbar. etc etc. Very unorthodox, needs to be standard interface and
>basic functions and basic outliner features too.
>
>Have a look at my post again if you get enough time.
>Best wishes bud.
Hey Washere, I apologize for not looking into detail in your list. And I feel bad because you have been very encouraging this whole time, but I already asked twice what it needed but it wasn’t specific enough for me to understand. Do you have an orthodox outliner that you recommend as an exemplar that I could get ideas from? When you mentioned the features that I have but that aren’t complete or work incorrectly—I don’t doubt you, I wrote Indigrid while I was using Word to write a book on concentration and thought maybe this would work better with columns. So I really don’t know much about outliners at all.
As for duplicating the column, that should have been fixed in build 8—however any crashes you send my way I will look at first thing. You can use https://www.guerrillamail.com/compose if you don’t want me following up with you—no hard feelings.
Posted by Mark Nevarrik
Jan 23, 2018 at 07:18 PM
shatteredmindofbob wrote:
>It’s not so much about a separate view, but a completely separate
>document. If say, I want to flesh out a completely new idea, I’d want to
>be able to quickly begin from scratch, something that isn’t connected to
>anything else.
>
I understand now that you put it that way. I didn’t see before that not having everything connected could be desirable. I will look into having different databases that are siloed from each other, like files.
>Plain text is fine for import/export, you’d just need to ability to even
>save to a .txt file, without having to rely on copying and pasting.
>
I had a great feature idea from someone where Indigrid “watches” external text files for changes and then reloads the changes under a designated node—and conversely exports any changes under that node back out to the text file. So that is coming, and could also double as an import/export. This also gives a little bit of mobility if you put those files on Dropbox.
bobmclain wrote:
shatteredmindofbob wrote:
>
>> I also like the idea of antisocial, neurotic and introverted software
>
>What’s to like about that kind of software? Sounds more like an art
>project…
>
Don’t forget the website also mentions pretentious software :) And it is an art project :)
“It is the function of art to renew our perception. What we are familiar with we cease to see.” — Anaïs Nin
>For Indigrid, I’d work first on making it *not* crash so frequently, and
>maybe then on a proper export (not just copy and paste).
Bob would you mind sending me the crash files generated from the crashes you get please? They are in %appdata%/indigrid/crashes
I totally get that it is a hassle—I’m worried that perhaps because of previous versions that somehow the state got bad.
Either way, I hear loud and clear now that export to a file is important. Thank you for continuing to help me out with constructive criticism.
Posted by washere
Jan 23, 2018 at 08:43 PM
Mark Nevarrik wrote:
>Hey Washere, I apologize for not looking into detail in your list. And I
>feel bad because you have been very encouraging this whole time, but I
>already asked twice what it needed but it wasn’t specific enough for me
>to understand. Do you have an orthodox outliner that you recommend as an
>exemplar that I could get ideas from? When you mentioned the features
>that I have but that aren’t complete or work incorrectly—I don’t
>doubt you, I wrote Indigrid while I was using Word to write a book on
>concentration and thought maybe this would work better with columns. So
>I really don’t know much about outliners at all.
>
>As for duplicating the column, that should have been fixed in build
>8—however any crashes you send my way I will look at first thing.
>You can use https://www.guerrillamail.com/compose if you don’t want me
>following up with you—no hard feelings.
Hey Mark, How you doin?
I would basically say priorities would be:
1) Fix crash issues from guys sending in logs, etc
2) Add basic FILE Menu standards: Open, Close, New, Save, Save as etc
3) If poss later: Export & import to one or two main format, OPML is easy, basicaly HTML with nested
< indent >tag for levels
4) Get rid of bottom bar and make a top toolbar with icons for: open new save copy paste new-node new-sub-node etc
5) Expand & Collapse for: All & Current (highlighted) branch
6)Orthodox or classic outliner? I have tested hundreds of software, rated their folders on my NAS with 1 to 5 stars (actually 0 to 00000 prefix in folder name). The classic would be Bonsai Natara. But do not waste time if you do not. Another closer to yuo is UV outliner. He has abandoned it, basically needs OPML export. Look at these photos:
https://www.google.com/search?q=UV+Outliner&source=lnms&tbm=isch
But an easier route for you would be this format:
Basic Outliner:
i) Left pane: nodes and sub-nodes
ii) Right pane: Node (or sub-node)
iii) optional: Multi-file: Can be top tabs under toolbar or even better to left of (i) ie: nodes/subnodes pane, so you end up with 3 panes: Files & Nodes & Data for highlighted node
Anyway if you have used it to finish your book and you seem to be talented in a few areas, I would say forget about this bud. Not that it is not good or has no potential, but quite the opposite because it does. Just use other already outliners for your personal use, plenty discussed here or on blogs by DrAndus or Zeoli or others. Don’t look for the perfect, just those that get your needs done as you did writing your book. Don’t feel obliged here either because some like me here say needs this or that. It’s a thankless job.
You can put your spare time into a tech startup idea or similar or something that helps some community using your skills which will be much more rewarding. Either you make lots of money or help in a more profound way, or both, why not. I am only saying this because you are talented and also a nice and genuine guy and hopefully can be very successful putting your spare time energy into something bigger, even if it takes a while. Go create a new and bigger idea, and do that and make lots of money and help people too bud.
Soon I won’t have time to post here anymore so wish you all the best bud. You deserve it.
Posted by Chris Murtland
Jan 23, 2018 at 10:24 PM
I’d also suggest looking at BrainStorm on Windows - it’s a bit dated at this point, but it has some interesting features. You can break off editing parts of the outline into separate windows, which is quite similar to what you are doing with columns:
http://brainstormsw.com/multiview.html
In my opinion, however, the greatest thing about BrainStorm is the ability to “mark” multiple locations in the outline and then “throw” or “retrieve” entries to/from those marks - even if the marks aren’t visible.
Also take a look at Noteliner on Windows - discontinued, but I think there is a link somewhere to download it. It’s lightweight but does quite a few clever things.
I’m pretty interested in the idea of editing external plain text files. Please post an update once we can try that.