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Been away for awhile, any new one pane outliners?
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Posted by Chris Murtland
Dec 14, 2017 at 06:59 AM
Glad to see the Noteliner mention, as it prompted me to search for the installer file (haven’t used it since my previous laptop). It’s rather unfortunate that this won’t see any further development. I rather think it’s the best one-pane outliner for Windows in existence for folks who like to do general outlining and task management within a single file. Luckily, a lot of great features made it in before its apparent demise.
It’s the opposite of mini-outlines within table cells, but Noteliner supports tables within outline nodes. :-)
I’d also suggest trying InfoQube as a one-pane outliner. It’s got a TON of other features, but you don’t have to use them. I think it truly is the modern Ecco. If you start a new blank file and hide the properties pane and the HTML pane, you’ve got a single-pane outliner.
Posted by Ken
Dec 14, 2017 at 03:44 PM
Chris Murtland wrote:
>I’d also suggest trying InfoQube as a one-pane outliner. It’s got a TON
>of other features, but you don’t have to use them. I think it truly is
>the modern Ecco. If you start a new blank file and hide the properties
>pane and the HTML pane, you’ve got a single-pane outliner.
Good to hear. I have been under stress at work again due to an overload of urgent assignments and as usual, have been AWOL from using MLO which I have been using for the past year or two. I love the program, but there are some UI issues that just seem like a bit of grit in the wheels, and that makes using it under pressure that much more difficult for me. I keep thinking I should try IQ and was looking at some of the documentation last night. I do wonder if I can get over the learning curve and find the love that I had found when using Ecco for all of those years.
I find that it is not difficult to use less than optimal software (and hardware) under normal or light working conditions. But, when things get crazy, that is when I notice what programs and devices serve me best. Little annoyances that can normally be overlooked suddenly start tripping up my work flow, and can make for a frustrating experience. I have found similar experiences when photographing in fast moving environments. Certain equipment lends itself better to being operated by “muscle memory”, and some equipment just plain fails as nothing seems to be intuitive. It’s always a bit of a search for that (personal) Holy Grail, but I suspect that quest keeps my mind sharp. Looking forward to some time when I can play with IQ for a while.
—Ken
Posted by Daly de Gagne
Dec 14, 2017 at 03:59 PM
I wonder, Chris, if the developer of Noteliner would be open to someone else taking over its development?
Daly
Chris Murtland wrote:
Glad to see the Noteliner mention, as it prompted me to search for the
>installer file (haven’t used it since my previous laptop). It’s rather
>unfortunate that this won’t see any further development. I rather think
>it’s the best one-pane outliner for Windows in existence for folks who
>like to do general outlining and task management within a single file.
>Luckily, a lot of great features made it in before its apparent demise.
>
>It’s the opposite of mini-outlines within table cells, but Noteliner
>supports tables within outline nodes. :-)
>
>I’d also suggest trying InfoQube as a one-pane outliner. It’s got a TON
>of other features, but you don’t have to use them. I think it truly is
>the modern Ecco. If you start a new blank file and hide the properties
>pane and the HTML pane, you’ve got a single-pane outliner.
Posted by Jeffery Smith
Dec 14, 2017 at 06:11 PM
I think Tree bit the dust. And I’m still waiting for Neo to somehow come up with a readable manual.
Posted by Chris Murtland
Dec 15, 2017 at 06:07 PM
Daly de Gagne wrote:
I wonder, Chris, if the developer of Noteliner would be open to someone
>else taking over its development?
>
>Daly
As far as I know, no one has been able to get in touch with Sam.
Noteliner, Workflowy, and Dynalist are all pretty close in my mind. Speed, hoisting, and filtering are all critical to how I use an outliner.
The one thing that really sets Noteliner and Workflowy apart in my mind is the ability to expand the hierarchy of parent items in a filtered view, which allows getting into the “neighborhood” or “family” of items from an initial filtered search. without having to back out of the filter. This seems rather minor on the surface, but it really matches how I work in actuality, so I get annoyed when it’s impossible. As far as I know, these are the only two that work this way (at least among the Windows or web options).