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Posted by Dellu
Nov 21, 2017 at 08:54 PM
Hugh wrote:
>In contrast, I wouldn’t want to try to write long-form in Tinderbox -
>ever! The definitions of what Tinderbox actually is are several and
>varied. I like to think of it as a sophisticated means of arranging
>thoughts and ideas and establishing the relationships between them. Of
>course, outliners and concept maps or mindmaps have similar purposes to
>those of Tinderbox - and Tinderbox can certainly be used an outliner or
>concept map, prior to writing long-form. But Tinderbox can do a lot more
>than that, being versatile, nuanced and “smart”, and capable of helping
>to identify “emergent structure” (which sounds faintly sinister, but
>isn’t). Whereas Scrivener, although it too has an outliner as part of
>its package, certainly does not aspire to what Tinderbox can do in that
>area.
>
I totally agree on your characterization of Tinderbox.
As you said, Scrivener has now spread its area. With the addition of Scapple, they might actually thinking of making the Scrivener environment a full system from mapping ideas to drafting and publishing. There is certain overlap between the two systems (Scrivener+Scapple vs Tinderbox).
For me, one reason I don’t find Scrivener that much attractive is mainly due to my own setup: I have to publish my work using Latex ultimately. I am not going to do all the heading, compiling stuff inside Scrivener. I do the formatting in the Latex (Texstudio). As such, sending some short drafts from Tinderbox to TexStudio has been my main workflow for a long time now.
if you are to publish in a word or similar format, I agree with you, Scrivener is definitely be very useful for formatting.
But, I find the Bookmark feature pretty attractive. I was using Tagging in combination with Smart searches in Devonthink to do a similar collection of project files. The steps in Devonthink are more extended and a bit cumbersome:
a) add project tags on the selected files
b) setup a smart search to collect the files with those tags
c) remove the tags whenever the file finished its task; function; to simply
The bookmark in Scrivener is simple drag and drop.
Posted by Chris Thompson
Nov 21, 2017 at 10:18 PM
Because they’ve significantly improved metadata handling and filtering in Scrivener 3, there are definitely certain classes of tasks where Scrivener now overlaps much more closely with Tinderbox than it used to.
There is also a lot more overlap with DevonThink as well.
Tinderbox integrates well with both (though there are some bugs with Scriv3 support right now), so we have quite an embarrassment of riches. For any complex, novel research project that involves teasing out unknown relationships between material/ideas, there still aren’t any really serious commercial alternatives to Tinderbox. Buying Scrivener 3 is a no-brainer on top of that—the price is a bargain for what you get, and Tinderbox is not a great writing environment, whereas Scriv3 truly is fantastic for that. The switchable workspace layout feature alone is something you tend only to find in specialized, vertical market software. It’s wonderful to have that now available for general writing.
If the next version of Scrivener adds a timeline view, rather than just the new “narrative threads” view (which is pretty innovative, actually), I can see it further gobbling up a lot of tasks that lend themselves to Tinderbox.
Posted by washere
Nov 22, 2017 at 06:24 AM
I don’t buy annual subscription softwares. Even MS Office is suffering as people go to LibreOffice more and more. A few others are like the Russian Freeware Kit Scenarist linked in this forum are building up god platforms. Annual subscription softwares usually stagnate and die anyway due to a few reasons, not just commercial but also mainly mindset & attitude-wise. If you think they should charge more than $25 or have annual subscription, I’m sure they will be happy to hear your suggestions.
Posted by washere
Nov 22, 2017 at 06:27 AM
washere wrote:
>>I wish they could charge less for current users.
Franz Grieser wrote:
> $25? Others charge more than that for an annual subscription. And I bet we’ll be able to use Scriv3 for years - without subscription.
Last post was in reply to Franz Grieser.
Posted by washere
Nov 22, 2017 at 06:46 AM
The new main feature seem to be (on Win Beta 3):
* UI & Layout
* Modernizing the GUI components
* Floating Cards (which only Mac version had before)
* CSS modding for proper ebook export, mainly Amazon mobi probs from ver2
* etc
Being “Outline” I am using the old Outline 4D more and more. I also use a few text (code) editors which let me outline text via code folding.
From there I can do virtually anything by importing them into 15 or 20 or so softwares I use in my toolchain. Each project is different, but a several pieces are usually used. scrivener is not always one of them. For bits and pieces scrivener was aways used but now I use a chopper to separate my Android ColorNote files or Android & Windows outliner apps. Rightnote lets me search them (hundreds or thousands) fast and lists them nice, better than Scrivener could ever. Zotero is better for footnotes & Biblio too. After some months I can basically convert anything (Outline & Tree structure-wise) from indented .txt/.tab major tree apps, or basically anything to anything now.
I still use Scrivener a lot though. Scrivener’s been given a new lease of life now with version 3 and lets hope it does not stay the same for another several years. Even Final Draft is trying to get better and is experimenting with Index Cards. All softwares have to evolve and get better or die, except Outline 4D probably, it is still uniquely useful, what the hell is that guy doing anyway if not updating his code? Unbelievable lunatic. I hope he is still alive.
A dark horse to watch out for is the “Aeon Timeline” which can sync with Scriv too. It has great potential, but it would become another genre of software altogether if it went a certain way but would be a masterpiece if expanded it’s features. It is cool too.