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Posted by Cassius
Oct 5, 2006 at 02:02 AM
Find a two-pane PIM with outlining in right pane at
http://www.handshigh.com/html/tmfeatures.html
Posted by David Dunham
Oct 5, 2006 at 02:52 AM
Thanks Cassius, that wasn’t on my list before.
I do wonder why they mix Windows outline gadgets (left pane) and Mac outline gadgets (right pane).
Posted by Derek Cornish
Oct 5, 2006 at 04:59 AM
Graham,
Good to hear from you. Yes, I’m still using Zoot. Have you moved on to other software?
> The searching should just happen, other than linking the file, you shouldn’t need to do anything for it to work.
In my last project I tended to use Zoot for my own notes rather than importing file contents or linking to files. Probably, too, I haven’t been sync’ing to windows folders or shortcutting to files often enough to have got the whole thing sorted out (however, I still have your very helpful detailed comments on how to sync, and have my Net Snippets folder sync’d in this way).
As for not being able to search linked files, this seems to vary with the type of link. I think my problem - one I’ve noticed others have had in the past (I’m always about two years behind everyone else in fathoming Zoot’s features) - is sorting out the various ways in which one can use shortcuts in Zoot. As I recall, one can:
1. Make shortcuts between items, items to folders, etc (just mentioned for sake of completeness);
2. Sync a Zoot folder to a windows folder. This adds file-links and 32k of each file’s contents (max) to the respective Zoot Notes. Zoot’s query feature will find results both in the notes themselves, and in the remainder of the linked file - though it will not highlight and go to the location of the “hit”. This works for me;
3. “Insert file” - basically pastes a file-link into a Zoot note via the editor-pane context menu. I am not able to search these linked files using Zoot’s query feature;
4. Make a shortcut from a selected file to an item. This shortcut resides in the shortcut manager as one of the item’s group of shortcuts, but nothing appears in the associated note. One has to click the big Z to see and use this type of shortcut. I am not able to search this type of link using Zoot’s query feature.
It is quite possible that I am doing something wrong here, but I can’t for the life of me see what it is…
Derek
Posted by Derek Cornish
Oct 5, 2006 at 05:28 AM
Thanks, Cassius. That’s about the design I had in mind. I’ll take a closer look.
Derek
Posted by Graham Smith
Oct 5, 2006 at 07:47 AM
Derek
>2. Sync a Zoot folder to a windows folder. This adds file-links and 32k of each file’s contents (max) to the respective Zoot >Notes. Zoot’s query feature will find results both in the notes themselves, and in the remainder of the linked file - though it will >not highlight and go to the location of the “hit”. This works for me;
I should have guessed you would have fully investigated this. The above method is the only way I have tried to get it to work, which as you say works.
I tend not to link files but to save files into windows folders that are synced to Zoot, so they automaticaly appear in the correct place in Zoot. So in fact I cannot help.
I have been usiing Infoselect for a few months now, instead of Zoot.
It gives me RTF and I can sync windows folders just as I have been with Zoot and IS searches them just as Zoot does. Additionally, I can right click on a synched windows folder in IS and get the normal Windows explorer context menu, inside IS.
You can set up tabs along the bottom of the main window that hold shortcuts to any location with the IS databases, and you can set up different tabs along the top of the main window that hold pre-set filters.
So navigation is fairly slick.
I also like being able to set up a spreadsheet within a record, and a proper data base form to add data as well as the freeform approach. I always wished Zoot could add up columns. You can also add a calendar, and strangely I have found this useful to add info on other peoples movements, or seminar lists - things I don’t want in my main calendar in TimeTo
The down side is the Transporter, the equivalent of the Zooter, but not as versatile. Even though IS is RTF it doesn’t save the images from web pages, but it does keep the layout. The other downside is the customer support, which is a little erratic.
Overall, however, it is just clumsier than Zoot, as was UltraRecall, which I bought at the same time as IS and just couldn’t get on with. I had been having file corruption problems with Zoot, and I also bought MyBase (vastly improved with latest version) and I am back re-evaluating Zoot, UR, MyBase and IS.
Deep down I still think Zoot shines above all the rest, unfortunately a lot of what I do involves graphics file and PDFs, the two things that Zoot doesn’t do well.
Graham