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Posted by Daly de Gagne
May 20, 2008 at 03:14 PM
Dan, a lot of people have been expressing the kids of concerns you have raised. I understand the developers are well aware of the issues, and taking the stance that that is why the program is still in beta.
I have primarily used EN3 beta to clip to my own computer files, and it does that well.
My friend who is into the heavy duty research, and whom I mentioned earlier, is highly pissed off because apparently EN3 has a decreased search capability.
Daly
dan7000 wrote:
>re EN 3.0
>
>I’ve been using the 3.0 beta a lot lately, really trying to give it a fair
>shake. I am actually quite optimistic about the concept but I don’t think it’s
>executed well enough yet, in 3 respects: web integration, clipping, rich
>formatting, and data storage.
>
>Web Integration:
>I really like this idea. Daly, you
>say that some people don’t like the idea of storing data on the web. But that’s not
>really what EN3 does. It stores data on the web and the desktop, and allows syncing
>between them. Or you can store only on the desktop and turn sync off.
>I like the idea
>because I use multiple machines and I want my notes everywhere, and this looks like a
>painless way to do it.
>Also, I like it because I’m a CRIMPer and this is a shiny new idea
>that nobody else is trying :)
>
>Clipping:
>Daly mentions that EN2.2 was one of the best
>web clippers available. I never used it except for a brief trial, so I don’t know about
>2.2, but 3.0 is terrible. Formatting from clipped pages is totally destroyed in 3.0.
>Moreover, this is true for all types of copied and pasted data - not just from the web.
>For instance, if I copy from a Word doc and paste into 3.0, the formatting from the Word
>doc is likely to be messed up. Same thing with using the send to EN button in Outlook.
>
>
>Rich Note Formatting:
>This area is obviously related to the richness of clipping,
>and thus it is also terrible. No support for tables in a note. Need I say more?
>
>Data
>Storage:
>By “data storage” I mean types of data you can keep in the program. In ADM and
>OneNote I can drag an entire file into the program and it’s stored there. Or I can paste a
>picture into a note, or insert a picture file. Some other programs have full
>OLE/ActiveX support, so you can paste many types of rich data into a document and edit
>in-place. For instance, I can insert an Excel table into Word and then edit the excel
>table in-place in the word document using Excel’s own editing code. (Why can’t
>OneNote do that?)
>EN allows me to paste a very limited set of non-text data into a note,
>and does not allow me to store a whole file in a note. You can’t even insert common
>picture file types.
>This feature is the deal-killer for me. The thing that would make
>EN’s web/desktop integration really cool and worthwhile would be if I could use it as a
>platform for all of my work. But it doesn’t help me to have my notes about a particular
>document on 2 machines, if the document itself is only available on 1 machine.
>
Posted by Daly de Gagne
May 20, 2008 at 03:19 PM
Vince, by the way, what are you using for info management on the Mac—saw you IS group post, and realized you’re in a neat position to be trying new stuff andm aking some comparisons.
Daly
Captain CowPie wrote:
>I’ve been doing the same thing between my Mac and PCs. It’s an easy way to get things
>between the computers quickly. There are a lot of things I would like to see, but I am
>giving them the benefit of the doubt that they will show up.
>
>Vince
>
>dan7000
>wrote:
>>
>>
>>Yeah - that’s one of the things that’s so cool about the whole concept. It
>
>>really can be an ever-present note manager. I use two computers all day, and I’ve
>
>>started using EN3 as a kind of clipboard between them.
Posted by Captain CowPie
May 21, 2008 at 03:17 AM
Daly,
I had always wanted an all-in-one program while using the PC, and liked IS for that even with all of it’s quirks. But since moving to the Mac, I don’t find any problems with having different programs for different needs. Things seem to work together better under OSX.
I think there is a lot of excellent activity on the Mac side right now. I tried a bunch of programs and many of them were very good. The first one I settled on was Journler, written by Phil Dow. I had tried many of the programs, but kept coming back to Journler. The code was well-written, and had some nice features others did not. One nice touch that I had just started to explore was that a child smart folder inherited it’s parent’s rules.
For example, I could have a parent smart folder that brought in all notes tagged with NA. Then I could have a child smart folders underneath that showed all notes tagged with, say, @Call. But the child folder would not show a note unless it was tagged with @Call AND NA. It allowed for some interesting rules that I had just begun to explore.
But like I said in my IS post, I am trying out the new Evernote 3 mainly because it can be used on both Mac and PC. Also, I plan to purchase an iPhone shortly and look forward the the iPhone client. EN3 has some work ahead of it even to bring it up to EN2.2 standards, but I believe it will get there. The Mac client is much more polished than the PC client right now.
So the bottom line is I am very happy with my Mac and the programs available. I was planning on installing Parallels when I first purchased the Mac, but have not found a need for it at all.
Vince
Daly de Gagne wrote:
>Vince, by the way, what are you using for info management on the Mac—saw you IS group
>post, and realized you’re in a neat position to be trying new stuff andm aking some
>comparisons.
Posted by Cassius
May 22, 2008 at 01:29 AM
Re: Maple, InfoRecall & Jot+:
Development on Jot+ seems to be dead in the water. A few months ago I asked the author, who said he was working on minor fixes and changes, but still no beta.
It’s been a while since I used Maple. I gave it up when recent updates/upgrades required contortions in order to read files created with older versions.
I tried different versions of InfoRecall, but all were too buggy.
Now, I only use myBase and Jot+. The latter because I have 10 years worth of data in it, the former because I really like its capabilities.
Has anyone tried exporting/importing Jot+ files into UltraRecall?
-c
Posted by Stephen Zeoli
May 22, 2008 at 01:12 PM
I just got the following e-mail from Evernote:
[begin e-mail quote]
You requested help with changing your Evernote password.
If you did not request help, then feel free to ignore this email.
To change your password, please click the link below:
[I deleted the link]
This link will work for 2 hours or until you reset your password.
[end e-mail quote]
Interestingly, I never made such a request. I wonder if people are trying to hack into Evernote accounts.
Steve Z.