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Collaborative Outline about Outliners that work on both macOS and iOS
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Posted by Luhmann
May 4, 2017 at 09:06 PM
Here’s what it says at the top of the outline:
“This list is limited to dedicated outliners that work on both macOS and iOS. The macOS app might be a web app, and the iOS app might be simply a web view, but the important thing is that one can start working on one’s laptop or desktop computer and continue working on one’s phone or iPad.
This outline is editable by anyone who has the link, but any entries that don’t meet the list description will be deleted. (No multipurpose apps that happen to have an outline view. No iOS only apps.) This is not a place for reviews. Try to follow the same guidelines Wikipedia does for a “neutral point of view.”
You added a product that was iOS only but synced to a multipurpose app. That is why it was deleted. You can consider this “subjective” if you like, but I think most people are capable of understanding the concept since all the other items on the list fit the description.
Posted by Pierre Paul Landry
May 5, 2017 at 02:39 AM
Luhmann wrote:
Here’s what it says at the top of the outline:
(...) but any entries that don’t meet the list description will be deleted.
Instead of deleting the entries, it would be more suitable and respectful IMHO to create a heading at the end: “Rejected Entries” and move it under that heading. A discussion could follow which may validate the entry after all.
(plus occasional clean-up)
Just my 2 cents !
Pierre Paul Landry
Posted by Luhmann
May 5, 2017 at 03:38 AM
I think a holding ground for discussion is a good idea, at least for a few days before deletion. (Not indefinitely.)
At this point, however, I would rather people improve the list by adding more information on these apps (features, cost, sync) etc. The list was created to cover a specific niche and I believe we already have all the apps that meet the specified criteria.
If someone would like to create another list or a larger list that covers more types of software, they are free to copy and use the content from this list if they are willing to do the work of maintaining it. I have added text making it clear that the outline is available in the Public Domain (with a link to the CC0 license), so everyone should be comfortable doing whatever they want with the list.
Posted by Luhmann
May 5, 2017 at 05:42 AM
Moved the meta-discussion (rules, definitions, etc.) to a dedicated “about this list” item. Links back to this thread for further discussion.
Posted by MadaboutDana
May 5, 2017 at 07:46 AM
I think the issue here is the term “outliner”. What exactly do you mean by “outliner”?
For example, I suspect I’m right in thinking that you don’t regard two-pane (notebook-style) outliners as valid entries in your list.
Apps such as e.g. Notebooks, Ulysses, TextNut, MWeb, Bear and many others support hierarchical folders and/or hierarchical tags, although they don’t support folding or hoisting as such (actually, you could argue that Ulysses kind of supports hoisting).
So do you regard them as outliners, or not?
And what about apps that enable precise isolation of data using tags etc. (e.g. Letterspace, Simplenote)? These could be described as “outliners”, even though they don’t use hierarchical techniques as such, because they do facilitate data chunking.
If you clarified the parameters for inclusion in your list, I think you’d make it easier for people to contribute ;-)
Actually, perhaps this is a challenge we should throw open to everybody on OutlinerSoftware: what exactly is an outliner? We could start a new thread…